A Jesus/Yeshua question

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Permalink Reply by Nan Griffiths on September 13, 2009 at 5:15pm

Dear Hannoch as well as all others,

This is the upmost question that I am dealing with right now, "Who is Yeshua"? I am not sure and this is troubling me and am facing an internal struggle. YHVH has only been dealing with me on this subject for a little over a month now, and I have no peace at all. I have asked Him to show me the truth, not man's truth but His truth. There are so many voices out in the world and they are all screaming so loudly, that I am confused at the moment. I must admit that I feel that the closer I walk in Torah, that "naturally" all my confusion will leave because I will be walking in truth. I have already come a long way from the 7 years ago of attending the Christian church. A month ago I left the Messianic Congregation that I attended for 7 years. Now I am attending a Jewish Synogogue. I have always asked YHVH for guidance in my walk with Him and He is leading me into the Synogogue. Yes, I am confused more than ever, what is YHVh trying to do to me? It is horriblly frightening and yet incredibly delicious. I trust Him and only Him to show me and I am being caucious. Some NT scripture scares the living H right out of me, like when Yeshua says that if we deny him before man that he will deny us before the father, now that is scary stuff. Also, Yeshua/Jesus, became the door for me to the Father and now I am walking in Torah. I say the Shema everyday and I understand that their is "one" God. Yeshua is not my god, but who is he? I really want an answer too that question. When I got "saved", I did have a real spiritual experience, I felt it, it was physical as well as spiritual., so what was that all about? Was he just an "annotinted one"? is my definition of a messiah different than from a Jewish perspective? I feel I will learn alot from the Shul I am attending. Any way, please pray that the truth will be given to those who are coming out of "Babylon" and having all of our idol's stripped away. He is cleansing us from all the Ashteroth's and Baal's. My question to myself is this, "How long will you waver between two opinion's?

Shalom,
Nan

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Permalink Reply by Isaac Mozeson on September 13, 2009 at 7:43pm

Dear Patty:

The "strangers" you cite are a GeR, a gentile who converts and lives amongst Israelites -- even though they don't have an ancestral field for sustenance in an agrarian society. The Merciful One many times reminds the Israelites that loving and caring for these special gentiles is a huge mitzvah. (I'm trying to host some for a week, but I guess NJ is too far) .

My playground metaphor did not mean to promote inhospitality, God forbid. My intended point was that Torah Jews are not asked to witness, to try to convert man-worshipers, etc. It is the paranoid, cult-like faiths who have a great need to missionize, to make everyone like them, to vindicate themselves. The Torah needs nobody to be "saved."
SHaLVaH, source of the word SALVation, is about physical rescue, NOT religious rescue from a sadistic deity who barbecues sinners for millennia after they can no longer alter their behavior.

May the different children of God only compete for the hearts and minds of atheists by trying to outdo each other with acts of kindness.

God loves you back. God doesn't mind if I or you have made some ritual booboos.

We have arrived at an Information Age, with miraculous things like SWW that Ross Nichols provided for us. In God's good time we shall worship in one style. Zephania 3:9 promises that.



Patty said:

Shalom Isaac, is this a Torah teaching? I have read to the contrary:
Exod.22:21 You shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.
Lev. 19:34 But the stranger that dwells with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am YHWH your Elohim.

Lev.23:22 And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not make clean riddance of the corners of your field when you reap, neither shall you gather any gleaning of your harvest: you shall leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the YHWH your Elohim.

Lev. 24:22 You shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am YHWH your Elohim.

In 1 Chron. 29, King David says:

[14] But who am I, and what is my people, that we should be able to offer so willingly after this sort? for all things come of you, and of your own have we given you.
[15] For we are strangers before you, and sojourners, as were all our fathers: our days on the earth are as a shadow, and there is none abiding.
[16] O YHWH our Elohim, all this store that we have prepared to build you an house for your Holy Name comes of your hand, and is all your own.

There are so many more references to strangers and their comparison to Israel that one could become quite overwhelmed, so I would like to end with a New Testament reference to Abraham and his visitors:

Heb.13
[2] Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Blessings to all,
Patty


Isaac Mozeson said:

Yes, Hanoch, this need to "witness" is built-in.

The happy, secure kids in the playground could care less about strangers.

But the insecure playground bully must make everyone aware of him.

המיבן יבין

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Permalink Reply by Darrell K Whitfield on September 15, 2009 at 3:28pm

I am not a group but as an individual within a group called the Assembly of YaHU'aH(Hope that is not offencive) I do have dialogue with Yahu'dim. I however do not find that my Jewish friends want to discuss hard questions with me but rather tell me what they think without answering my questions about Yahu'shua of Nazareth. When I show them in the Tanack why I believe Yahu'ashua is the Saviour and Messiah of the World and will come to be the King of Kings/Malak ha malakim and Adon of Adonim/Lord of Lords in the near future I find their responce defencive in nature and not a civil dialogue where all veiws are respected.

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Permalink Reply by Darrell K Whitfield on September 15, 2009 at 3:35pm

I believe most Messianic passages in the Tanack do call the Messiah YaHU'aH so these passages do not truoble me at all. Phillipians 2:9-11 says Yahu'shua was given a name above every name that at the name of Yahu'shua every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Yahu'shua is YaHU'aH to the high esteem of Elohim the Father. This is mny translation from the Aramaic text of the Brit Ha Kodesha. Yashayahu/Isaiah 45:45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am El, and there is none else.45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
45:24 Surely, shall one say, in YHUH have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.45:25 In YHUH shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.


Sandra Inglis said:

Shalom Nan,

Praise YeHoWaH! He is answering your prayer. I understand your fears, as I have experienced what you are going through. Be encouraged that as you seek the will of YeHoWaH and respond to His calling in obedience, then YeHoWaH will bless you with wisdom, understanding and peace in your heart.

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Permalink Reply by Abbiyah Ruvimbo Sarah bat Israel on September 16, 2009 at 3:03pm

Why have you rejected Yeshua if i may ask as i was under the impression that you beleive and accept him as your Messiah? :/


Sandra Inglis said:

Shalom Hannoch,

I am not a group, only one person, I am willing to dialogue with Jews without having them come to accept Jesus/Yeshua, as I do not accept Jesus/Yeshua myself. I rejected Jesus/Yeshua when I came out of Christianity and I have no intention of turning back to him. I know of others who have come out of Christianity who have also rejected Jesus/Yeshua. As far as I know we are very few in number and most who have rejected Jesus/Yeshua have converted or are seeking to convert to Judaism.

Sandra.

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Permalink Reply by Abbiyah Ruvimbo Sarah bat Israel on September 16, 2009 at 3:16pm

well i am not sure if there is such a thing as working together were there is already fundamental differances. I think that the best one can do is to realise that there are differences in beliefs at different points of our walk whether they are right or wrong one needs to be able to handle them with great wisdom. As we all have to learn to hear what the Eternal expects to us when interacting with the one that has a different opion to yours. The problem is that there is only one truth who has all of it ????????? i suppose the Eternal.

There is coming a time when there will only be one truth and it is coming out of Yerushalem and Tzion and He will teach us all His way.
All we can do is to leave by trail and error and have faith that He will lead us to do and say what is right at the right time & in the right way.

We are definately going to get offend by someone or offend someone in one way or the other this is part of the learning curve.

this only makes me say "May He return in our day and may He find favour with us and allow us in to the Olam Habar".
Abbiyah Ruvimbo Sarah bat Israel said:

Why have you rejected Yeshua if i may ask as i was under the impression that you beleive and accept him as your Messiah? :/


Sandra Inglis said:

Shalom Hannoch,

I am not a group, only one person, I am willing to dialogue with Jews without having them come to accept Jesus/Yeshua, as I do not accept Jesus/Yeshua myself. I rejected Jesus/Yeshua when I came out of Christianity and I have no intention of turning back to him. I know of others who have come out of Christianity who have also rejected Jesus/Yeshua. As far as I know we are very few in number and most who have rejected Jesus/Yeshua have converted or are seeking to convert to Judaism.

Sandra.

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Permalink Reply by Ally Kale on September 16, 2009 at 11:20pm

Hi Nan,

My name is Ally. I read your response and question re: "Who is Yeshua?" I must say, I have the same question. I was in the church for 28 yrs and then it was on to Messianic-ism. YHVH started dealing with my husband and I about Yeshua and we have just recently renounced him as Elohim, savior etc. Wow what a journey! We just left the group we were meeting with and for the most part will be meeting at home. We like you, want YHVH'S truth and not mans. It can be scary at times, but you know, it hasn't been as scary as I thought it would've been. It just goes to show that we've been led one step at a time and I can see where we've grown, because the struggle is not there to hold onto these idols. We personally believe that the christian writings (N.T.) are not reliable at all. When they were so called canonized, we believe there was an agenda that revolved around a pagan religious system. We should not fear, but put our trust in our Creator and Elohim YHVH who said He was our Rock, Savior, Deliverer, etc. He will lead us. Fear, doubt and unbelief are narcotics of satan. I believe as we seek the Father for truth, we will receive it. Let's pray for one another to this end.

Shalom,
Ally

Nan said:

Dear Hannoch as well as all others,

This is the upmost question that I am dealing with right now, "Who is Yeshua"? I am not sure and this is troubling me and am facing an internal struggle. YHVH has only been dealing with me on this subject for a little over a month now, and I have no peace at all. I have asked Him to show me the truth, not man's truth but His truth. There are so many voices out in the world and they are all screaming so loudly, that I am confused at the moment. I must admit that I feel that the closer I walk in Torah, that "naturally" all my confusion will leave because I will be walking in truth. I have already come a long way from the 7 years ago of attending the Christian church. A month ago I left the Messianic Congregation that I attended for 7 years. Now I am attending a Jewish Synogogue. I have always asked YHVH for guidance in my walk with Him and He is leading me into the Synogogue. Yes, I am confused more than ever, what is YHVh trying to do to me? It is horriblly frightening and yet incredibly delicious. I trust Him and only Him to show me and I am being caucious. Some NT scripture scares the living H right out of me, like when Yeshua says that if we deny him before man that he will deny us before the father, now that is scary stuff. Also, Yeshua/Jesus, became the door for me to the Father and now I am walking in Torah. I say the Shema everyday and I understand that their is "one" God. Yeshua is not my god, but who is he? I really want an answer too that question. When I got "saved", I did have a real spiritual experience, I felt it, it was physical as well as spiritual., so what was that all about? Was he just an "annotinted one"? is my definition of a messiah different than from a Jewish perspective? I feel I will learn alot from the Shul I am attending. Any way, please pray that the truth will be given to those who are coming out of "Babylon" and having all of our idol's stripped away. He is cleansing us from all the Ashteroth's and Baal's. My question to myself is this, "How long will you waver between two opinion's?

Shalom,
Nan

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Permalink Reply by Atira on September 17, 2009 at 10:31pm

I love what you said about Yeshua ! yes thats the way I came to study Torah to . I walked away from all mytholgy of the church . I`ve been study torah for 8 yrs and so thankful to be the truth !!!!!

Patty said:

Shalom Sandra,

I would like to ask that you might be able to consider the TRUE teaching of Yeshua APART from the mythology that was added, i.e. his Torah message - the Sermon on the Mount, which was actually a calling to a HIGHER observance of the Torah. I feel that many sincere, zealous folks like yourself have "thrown the baby out with the bathwater". You see, back then, storytelling was a VEHICLE for conveying a Truth. The problem is that "Churchianity" hasn't been able to separate Truth from Myth.

I totally understand your concern of "turning back to Yeshua", but this really isn't the case. There is nothing really to "turn back to" because you were both already there - he was a Torah observant/teaching Jew and it appears that you are as well. Perhaps what you refer to as a "turning back" is to the the superstitious belief in Yeshua as a "crucified savior-god".

I am not asking that you accept Yeshua, but rather that you understand and respect the fact that I DO. He is how I came to the Torah.

Love & Blessings,
Patty
Sandra Inglis said:

Shalom Hannoch,

I am not a group, only one person, I am willing to dialogue with Jews without having them come to accept Jesus/Yeshua, as I do not accept Jesus/Yeshua myself. I rejected Jesus/Yeshua when I came out of Christianity and I have no intention of turning back to him. I know of others who have come out of Christianity who have also rejected Jesus/Yeshua. As far as I know we are very few in number and most who have rejected Jesus/Yeshua have converted or are seeking to convert to Judaism.

Sandra.

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Permalink Reply by Valerie Knowles on September 18, 2009 at 9:27am

I do not feel at this time that it is our "mission" to get Jews to believe in Jesus.
I leave that up to Jews that believe in Y'Shua to minister to Jews. They have been fed worse lies about Y'Shua than we Ephraimites have, so I leave it to the believers in The Land to deal with that. I made many dear freinds in Israel , and my life was my witness. I was there to LEARN from Yehuda, so I picked their brains.

I did lots of things with Jews over there.... to include vlunteering during the war so people living in Sderot, Ashkelon, and Ashdod, could come up north for a eek of rest ad no BOMBS going off in their neighborhood that CNN etc fail to mention. My mission NOW is to relay all of the information, that no one in America seems to be aware of. New Assignment.

Most the Yehuda I knew, know that we Ephraimites come over to live, volunteer etc cause we are believers, in Y'Shua, and Torah, , love The Land of Israel, and want to follow Torah.

I believe that our witness of following Torah, and forsaking the pagan christian stuff, but keeping our Torah loving Y'Shua, speaks volumes.
Shalom,
Valerie

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Permalink Reply by Valerie Knowles on September 18, 2009 at 9:36am

please excuse my typos... I DO NOT know how to edit. I meant to say that the people came up from Sederot, Ashelon, and Ashdon cam up north to get away for a week or so, from the BOMBS that were going off in their neighborhood....
shalom,
Valerie

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Permalink Reply by Valerie Knowles on September 18, 2009 at 9:45am

Hi NAna,
May I suggest you read James Tabors book Restoring Abrahamic Faith?
The lie we have been fed is that jesus is God.
His book shows FROM SCRIPTURE, that he is not God , but I beleive our messiah. True, it is YHWH who is our savior. Words have been mixed up and a bad belief system used for centuries that have caused nothing but fear, grief, and havvock.
Shalom,
Valerie

Moshe and Ally Kale said:

Hi Nan,

My name is Ally. I read your response and question re: "Who is Yeshua?" I must say, I have the same question. I was in the church for 28 yrs and then it was on to Messianic-ism. YHVH started dealing with my husband and I about Yeshua and we have just recently renounced him as Elohim, savior etc. Wow what a journey! We just left the group we were meeting with and for the most part will be meeting at home. We like you, want YHVH'S truth and not mans. It can be scary at times, but you know, it hasn't been as scary as I thought it would've been. It just goes to show that we've been led one step at a time and I can see where we've grown, because the struggle is not there to hold onto these idols. We personally believe that the christian writings (N.T.) are not reliable at all. When they were so called canonized, we believe there was an agenda that revolved around a pagan religious system. We should not fear, but put our trust in our Creator and Elohim YHVH who said He was our Rock, Savior, Deliverer, etc. He will lead us. Fear, doubt and unbelief are narcotics of satan. I believe as we seek the Father for truth, we will receive it. Let's pray for one another to this end.

Shalom,
Ally

Nan said:

Dear Hannoch as well as all others,

This is the upmost question that I am dealing with right now, "Who is Yeshua"? I am not sure and this is troubling me and am facing an internal struggle. YHVH has only been dealing with me on this subject for a little over a month now, and I have no peace at all. I have asked Him to show me the truth, not man's truth but His truth. There are so many voices out in the world and they are all screaming so loudly, that I am confused at the moment. I must admit that I feel that the closer I walk in Torah, that "naturally" all my confusion will leave because I will be walking in truth. I have already come a long way from the 7 years ago of attending the Christian church. A month ago I left the Messianic Congregation that I attended for 7 years. Now I am attending a Jewish Synogogue. I have always asked YHVH for guidance in my walk with Him and He is leading me into the Synogogue. Yes, I am confused more than ever, what is YHVh trying to do to me? It is horriblly frightening and yet incredibly delicious. I trust Him and only Him to show me and I am being caucious. Some NT scripture scares the living H right out of me, like when Yeshua says that if we deny him before man that he will deny us before the father, now that is scary stuff. Also, Yeshua/Jesus, became the door for me to the Father and now I am walking in Torah. I say the Shema everyday and I understand that their is "one" God. Yeshua is not my god, but who is he? I really want an answer too that question. When I got "saved", I did have a real spiritual experience, I felt it, it was physical as well as spiritual., so what was that all about? Was he just an "annotinted one"? is my definition of a messiah different than from a Jewish perspective? I feel I will learn alot from the Shul I am attending. Any way, please pray that the truth will be given to those who are coming out of "Babylon" and having all of our idol's stripped away. He is cleansing us from all the Ashteroth's and Baal's. My question to myself is this, "How long will you waver between two opinion's?

Shalom,
Nan

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Permalink Reply by Nan Griffiths on September 19, 2009 at 6:12pm

Moshe and Ally Kale said:

Hi Nan,

My name is Ally. I read your response and question re: "Who is Yeshua?" I must say, I have the same question. I was in the church for 28 yrs and then it was on to Messianic-ism. YHVH started dealing with my husband and I about Yeshua and we have just recently renounced him as Elohim, savior etc. Wow what a journey! We just left the group we were meeting with and for the most part will be meeting at home. We like you, want YHVH'S truth and not mans. It can be scary at times, but you know, it hasn't been as scary as I thought it would've been. It just goes to show that we've been led one step at a time and I can see where we've grown, because the struggle is not there to hold onto these idols. We personally believe that the christian writings (N.T.) are not reliable at all. When they were so called canonized, we believe there was an agenda that revolved around a pagan religious system. We should not fear, but put our trust in our Creator and Elohim YHVH who said He was our Rock, Savior, Deliverer, etc. He will lead us. Fear, doubt and unbelief are narcotics of satan. I believe as we seek the Father for truth, we will receive it. Let's pray for one another to this end.

Shalom,
Ally

Nan said:

Dear Hannoch as well as all others,

This is the upmost question that I am dealing with right now, "Who is Yeshua"? I am not sure and this is troubling me and am facing an internal struggle. YHVH has only been dealing with me on this subject for a little over a month now, and I have no peace at all. I have asked Him to show me the truth, not man's truth but His truth. There are so many voices out in the world and they are all screaming so loudly, that I am confused at the moment. I must admit that I feel that the closer I walk in Torah, that "naturally" all my confusion will leave because I will be walking in truth. I have already come a long way from the 7 years ago of attending the Christian church. A month ago I left the Messianic Congregation that I attended for 7 years. Now I am attending a Jewish Synogogue. I have always asked YHVH for guidance in my walk with Him and He is leading me into the Synogogue. Yes, I am confused more than ever, what is YHVh trying to do to me? It is horriblly frightening and yet incredibly delicious. I trust Him and only Him to show me and I am being caucious. Some NT scripture scares the living H right out of me, like when Yeshua says that if we deny him before man that he will deny us before the father, now that is scary stuff. Also, Yeshua/Jesus, became the door for me to the Father and now I am walking in Torah. I say the Shema everyday and I understand that their is "one" God. Yeshua is not my god, but who is he? I really want an answer too that question. When I got "saved", I did have a real spiritual experience, I felt it, it was physical as well as spiritual., so what was that all about? Was he just an "annotinted one"? is my definition of a messiah different than from a Jewish perspective? I feel I will learn alot from the Shul I am attending. Any way, please pray that the truth will be given to those who are coming out of "Babylon" and having all of our idol's stripped away. He is cleansing us from all the Ashteroth's and Baal's. My question to myself is this, "How long will you waver between two opinion's?

Shalom,
Nan

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