Any other Lunar Sabbatarians on here?

Are there any keepers of the true Sabbath on this board?

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Permalink Reply by Ted Walther on December 1, 2009 at 11:34am

That article is a hatchet job that does not accurately represent the position of those who keep the original Biblical Sabbath. Instead, check out the materials here: http://creationcalendar.com/

Every objection listed in Hezakiah's article has been answered and debunked by keepers of the Biblical Sabbath, just by turning to Scripture.

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Permalink Reply by Nan Griffiths on December 1, 2009 at 11:56am

This is an interesting debate. I am listening with an open heart.

Nan

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Permalink Reply by Ted Walther on December 1, 2009 at 1:07pm

100 years ago, a lot of Reform synagogues were keeping SUNDAY as their Sabbath, not Saturday. Don't give me this unsubstantiated story about 3800 years of chasing after Saturday. If the Sabbath could have been changed so recently, who are you to say that it wasn't also changed farther back in time? Which is exactly what keepers of the Biblical Sabbath do say. There is no evidence for a 7 day week until the first century CE, and even then it is very sketchy and primordial. The 7 day week was a necessary response to the outlawing of the Rosh Chodesh celebration by the emperor Hadrian, who slaughtered most of the worlds Jews at that time, whether they were Messianic or Rabbinic. Why did he do this? In honor of his "God", the deified Julius Caesar that invented the Julian calendar.

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Permalink Reply by Ted Walther on December 1, 2009 at 2:02pm

Moshe Kale said:

Shalom Ted, I had a little look at the article you mention. Unfortunately some of the text is super imposed over other text making it difficult to read. I have a couple of questions for you just so I can understand where you are coming from. How often do you keep the Sabbath? When do you commence and finish your Sabbath? The article mentions the Genesis reference to the luminaries as signs for the seasons. This to me does not mean the moon alone. Can you post up some scriptural proof to back your claims so that us less informed can follow your point. No offense meant. Thanks.

Those are fair questions, and a fair question deserves a fair answer. Sorry about the super-imposed text; I have the same problem with the main page on the CreationCalendar website. It is better when you download the articles.

I keep the Sabbath every seventh day. I start Sabbath at the beginning of the Sabbath day, and finish at the end of the Sabbath day. Sabbath keepers do not use the moon alone, so I won't try to justify that practice from Scripture. It is the relationship of the sun and moon that creates the monthly cycle, the quarters, the phases, the dark and the lit periods. In addition, the start and end of the sabbath day is determined by the sun. So in no way could Sabbath keepers be considered to be using the moon alone, when Scripture says that both great lights together signal the moedim. (moed/season/feast-day)

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Permalink Reply by Ted Walther on December 1, 2009 at 2:27pm

Hezakiah Levinson said:

I'm Levi'im,bro.My ancestors served Hashem from the beginning when Europe was still offering their children in sacrifice to their holy trees and Arabs were still burying their daughters in the desert sand.

Apart from your last name of Levinson, how do you know you are Levi'im? How far back can you trace your geneology? Do you accept tithes from non-believers?

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Permalink Reply by Ted Walther on December 1, 2009 at 4:22pm

Hezakiah Levinson said:

Ted Walther said:
Hezakiah Levinson said:
I'm Levi'im,bro.My ancestors served Hashem from the beginning when Europe was still offering their children in sacrifice to their holy trees and Arabs were still burying their daughters in the desert sand.

Apart from your last name of Levinson, how do you know you are Levi'im? How far back can you trace your geneology? Do you accept tithes from non-believers?

The Hebrew appellation of HaLevi has been on our name generation after generation. My name is Chizkiyahu Shmuel ben Moshe HaLevi. You don't get HaLevi or HaKohane on your name just because you want it there.
If you really feel the inclination though, I'll take cash,gold, top shelf bourbon,livestock or a nice bushel of Georgia peaches LOL

If you can establish your descent from the tribe of Levi, I would indeed feel such an inclination.

How many generations back can you establish your geneology? Can you establish it through your fathers line? Failing that, can you establish that the female geneology was used according to the Zelophehad ruling?

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Permalink Reply by Ted Walther on December 1, 2009 at 6:24pm

Hezakiah Levinson said:

Tribe is paternal so of course it is my father's line.

How far back can you name your ancestry? And if it is the tithe at stake, are you willing to make it a matter of public record?

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Permalink Reply by Ted Walther on December 1, 2009 at 7:40pm

Hezakiah Levinson said:

It is public record.Our family is in the registrar. I have neither the need nor the desire to share my family history with strangers; I don't do it with friends.My oldest brother is guardian of our family tree's history and it goes back name by name over 1600 years; past that is a bit skippy generation to generation from there back to the Second Temple days.Shlomo on here has a family history that goes back almost as far if I recall his stating so correctly.I know a rabbi in NYC who has family records dating back before the sack of Jerusalem.He is Kohanim.Personally I could care less if you take my word for it or not about us being Levi'im and as I told you,tithes are not in effect. You want to hand out your money,then go by the tradition of giving it to a charity in the name of a lost loved one.I suggest your local food bank.

Which registrar? Who is the Kohanim Rabbi?

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Permalink Reply by eric john nagel on December 1, 2009 at 8:25pm

We keep the true Shabbat. Check out this calendar.
http://www.michaelroodministries.com/biblical-hebrew-calendar.htm
ejn

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Permalink Reply by Ted Walther on December 1, 2009 at 9:00pm

eric john nagel said:

We keep the true Shabbat. Check out this calendar.
http://www.michaelroodministries.com/biblical-hebrew-calendar.htm
ejn

Try this one instead: http://reactor-core.org/calendar.html

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Permalink Reply by eric john nagel on December 1, 2009 at 9:16pm

Sorry, that one does not appear in agreement with Torah.

Ted Walther said:

eric john nagel said:
We keep the true Shabbat. Check out this calendar.
http://www.michaelroodministries.com/biblical-hebrew-calendar.htm
ejn

Try this one instead: http://reactor-core.org/calendar.html

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Permalink Reply by Ted Walther on December 1, 2009 at 11:29pm

eric john nagel said:

Sorry, that one does not appear in agreement with Torah.
Try this one instead: http://reactor-core.org/calendar.html

I bet you can't point to one verse in Torah that contradicts the calendar that you so quickly rejected. Furthermore, according to your Michael-Rood calendar, you have no clue when the Sabbath and Jubilee years are. Lunar Sabbatarians have no doubt. We watch the signs in the sky given by our Father in Heaven.