lost tribes

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Permalink Reply by Hanoch Young on July 8, 2009 at 8:51pm

I've been studying this area for years, and actually hope, G-d willing, to publish material on it beginning in approximately one year. I have very strong feelings for, and about, the Cherokee Nation, and have a very strong 'suspicion' that they are related to the Hebrew people through joint Israelite/Phonecian journeys (during the United Monarchy) to what has become America. I have NOT seen any evidence that would lead me to believe that they are from the lost tribes, however.

In terms of the Pathans, although I am waiting to read a copy of research that has been done by a Professor in India, I am not currently of the opinion that they are from the Lost Tribes, either. Based upon what I've read and researched, it is far more likely that they are the descendents of Jewish merchants traveling the Silk Road into Asia.

What is often pointed to, is that they seem to have peyot ("side curls") and wear a 4 cornered garment with fringes. However, although these are known Jewish 'identifiers' it's hard for me to imagine that after having slid into idol worship in the Northern Kingdom, including child sacrifice that they would (3,000 years later) continue to wear "fringed, 4 cornered garments."

I have yet to see anything about the Kurds that would link them to the Lost Tribes. They have had a Jewish population in recent years, who have immigrated to Israel. Yes, there was considerable military assistance that Israel provided the Kurds, and undoubtably, they've returned the favor, in terms of intelligence gathering, etc.

Much more to study, research and look into, and now that DNA studies are becoming available, it's going to get pretty interesting!

Hanoch

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Permalink Reply by Kim on July 9, 2009 at 1:46am

Hanoch,

Please explain Cherokee are related to the Hebrew people but not "lost tribes". Do you mean that they had associations with them or that they are lost Jews?

The Northern Kingdom slid into idolatry as a whole, but couldn't there have been a righteous remnant that did not and were exiled? or perhaps while in exile that returned to HaShem, at least partially? They were infamous for mixing paganism with Truth...trying to serve both HaShem & their idols.

Even though I don't have time to respond to your posts, I read most of them. Thank you for taking the time to share and to teach....

Shalom,

Kim

I know. I know. I'm up much too late...again.

Hanoch Young said:

I've been studying this area for years, and actually hope, G-d willing, to publish material on it beginning in approximately one year. I have very strong feelings for, and about, the Cherokee Nation, and have a very strong 'suspicion' that they are related to the Hebrew people through joint Israelite/Phonecian journeys (during the United Monarchy) to what has become America. I have NOT seen any evidence that would lead me to believe that they are from the lost tribes, however.

In terms of the Pathans, although I am waiting to read a copy of research that has been done by a Professor in India, I am not currently of the opinion that they are from the Lost Tribes, either. Based upon what I've read and researched, it is far more likely that they are the descendents of Jewish merchants traveling the Silk Road into Asia.

What is often pointed to, is that they seem to have peyot ("side curls") and wear a 4 cornered garment with fringes. However, although these are known Jewish 'identifiers' it's hard for me to imagine that after having slid into idol worship in the Northern Kingdom, including child sacrifice that they would (3,000 years later) continue to wear "fringed, 4 cornered garments."

I have yet to see anything about the Kurds that would link them to the Lost Tribes. They have had a Jewish population in recent years, who have immigrated to Israel. Yes, there was considerable military assistance that Israel provided the Kurds, and undoubtably, they've returned the favor, in terms of intelligence gathering, etc.

Much more to study, research and look into, and now that DNA studies are becoming available, it's going to get pretty interesting!

Hanoch

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Permalink Reply by Hanoch Young on July 9, 2009 at 8:43pm

Hey Kim,

Okay, sorry to be brief, but I'm falling on my face (someone has been after me to write a book, and I've been working on it feverishly! LOL) right now. I think that the Cherokee/Hebrew connection could have come during the time of the United Monarchy (which is BEFORE the Lost Tribes), OR as Judean refugees (making them Lost Jews), OR as part of those escaping the Assyrian onslaught - I just don't know yet (and may never know conclusively).

Could they have repented? Yeah, it's a possibility but the 'rightious remnant' that you mentioned, more likely went to Judea, possibly way before the Assyrian destruction. But you are right Ms. Kim - it IS possible. :-) T'Shuva is ALWAYS a possibility.

I read today that it will take years to build up enough of a Cherokee DNA database to even be able to HOPEFULLY identify people of the Cherokee nation by their blood (DNA, of course)! But Kim, in my heart of hearts, I FEEL we're 'kin,' as we say here in Nueva York.

Take care!!
Hanoch

Kim Molnar said:

Hanoch,

Please explain Cherokee are related to the Hebrew people but not "lost tribes". Do you mean that they had associations with them or that they are lost Jews?

The Northern Kingdom slid into idolatry as a whole, but couldn't there have been a righteous remnant that did not and were exiled? or perhaps while in exile that returned to HaShem, at least partially? They were infamous for mixing paganism with Truth...trying to serve both HaShem & their idols.

Even though I don't have time to respond to your posts, I read most of them. Thank you for taking the time to share and to teach....

Shalom,

Kim

I know. I know. I'm up much too late...again.

Hanoch Young said:

I've been studying this area for years, and actually hope, G-d willing, to publish material on it beginning in approximately one year. I have very strong feelings for, and about, the Cherokee Nation, and have a very strong 'suspicion' that they are related to the Hebrew people through joint Israelite/Phonecian journeys (during the United Monarchy) to what has become America. I have NOT seen any evidence that would lead me to believe that they are from the lost tribes, however.

In terms of the Pathans, although I am waiting to read a copy of research that has been done by a Professor in India, I am not currently of the opinion that they are from the Lost Tribes, either. Based upon what I've read and researched, it is far more likely that they are the descendents of Jewish merchants traveling the Silk Road into Asia.

What is often pointed to, is that they seem to have peyot ("side curls") and wear a 4 cornered garment with fringes. However, although these are known Jewish 'identifiers' it's hard for me to imagine that after having slid into idol worship in the Northern Kingdom, including child sacrifice that they would (3,000 years later) continue to wear "fringed, 4 cornered garments."

I have yet to see anything about the Kurds that would link them to the Lost Tribes. They have had a Jewish population in recent years, who have immigrated to Israel. Yes, there was considerable military assistance that Israel provided the Kurds, and undoubtably, they've returned the favor, in terms of intelligence gathering, etc.

Much more to study, research and look into, and now that DNA studies are becoming available, it's going to get pretty interesting!

Hanoch

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Permalink Reply by Tova on July 10, 2009 at 12:50am

My Grandfather on my dad's side was full blooded Cherokee. His name was Hyemeyosts. My Grandmother who was Anglosaxson was very taken by him, but at that period in history interracial marriage was frowned upon, so my Grandmother set the condition that she would marry him if he took the name "Wiley"......and he did. It is an interesting topic that you propose. What kind of literature have you been reading on the migration of ancient people?

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Permalink Reply by ronald wayne copeland on July 10, 2009 at 10:59am

Hi Tova i was trying to trace the Cherokee elders and spiritual leaders of our time. Lazer Beams . com Lazer Brody has a web site Rabbi Brody called by the Cherokee Wolf Brother look for his friends and the trail of tears and listen to river song quite insirational Blessins Bro. Ron

Tova said:

My Grandfather on my dad's side was full blooded Cherokee. His name was Hyemeyosts. My Grandmother who was Anglosaxson was very taken by him, but at that period in history interracial marriage was frowned upon, so my Grandmother set the condition that she would marry him if he took the name "Wiley"......and he did. It is an interesting topic that you propose. What kind of literature have you been reading on the migration of ancient people?

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Permalink Reply by Suzanne Manthei on July 10, 2009 at 10:47pm

So if you do have Jewish blood from your ancestry, but was raised a Gentile.. could an individual still be part of a lost tribe. I've traced my Jewish ancestry to the Czek Republic on my maternal Grandfather's side and through Ireland and England on my maternal Grandmother's side.. so wouldn't that make me a member of a lost tribe?

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Permalink Reply by ronald wayne copeland on July 11, 2009 at 10:36am

Ask G-d to show you.

Suzanne Manthei said:

So if you do have Jewish blood from your ancestry, but was raised a Gentile.. could an individual still be part of a lost tribe. I've traced my Jewish ancestry to the Czek Republic on my maternal Grandfather's side and through Ireland and England on my maternal Grandmother's side.. so wouldn't that make me a member of a lost tribe?

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