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Permalink Reply by Suzanne Andria venter on March 4, 2010 at 1:48pm

Answer to question 2,He must be worshipped because He is God!! the same quote as in Isaiah 9:6...Mighty God,Everlasting Father...
Answer to question 3, the community where this happend was probably secular,Judea was under Roman rule,this is just a guess.
Answer to question 4, 2 Kings 4:32 When Elisha reached the house,there was the boy lying dead on his couch.33 he went in shut the door on the 2 of them and prayed to the Lord.34 then he got on the bed and lay upon the boy.... the boys body grew warm....
I stand to correct myself Yeshua never said Himself that He was a priest,the diciples only understand that He was one after the temple's curtain was torn into two pieces.

Suzanne Andria venter said:

Let me explain about Yeshua when He spoke of Himself as..
1.Son of Man/Adam that meant He was 100% human - Isaiah 7:14 Therefor the Lord Himself will give you sign: the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son and will be called Immanuel - God with us.
2. Son of Abraham - He was 100% Jewish - Matthew 1:2 Abraham was the father of Isaac....it gives Yeshua's genealogy from his earthly's father Joseph and Luke 3:24 gives Mary's genealogy although it says son of Joseph son of Heli ..(The Greeks uses that way) from Mary's side..Davids son Nathan...Joseph's side - David the father of Solomon.
3. Son of David - He is 100% Royalty - same as above
4. Son of God - He is God - Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born,to us a son is given and the government will be on His shoulder.And he will be called Wonderful Counsellor,MIGHTY GOD,Everlasting Father,Prince of Peace.

Suzanne Andria venter said:

Dear Tamla I will try with the grace of YHWH to explain every question you ask.
fisrt of all Nehemia is still a Karaite Jew,he intimately knows the Scritures,Old and New Testament,and for some reason he bothers with Christians and for that I love him soooo much!!!

Tamla Boone said:

At this point, I believe Yeshua could have been A messiah-one of many. Yesterday, I said outloud for the first time, I don't believe he is God. But if the NT is correct and did come as a messenger, as an anointed one, to point us back to God...
1. Why did he make very confusing statements like:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
Mar 9:42 ¶ And whosoever shall offend one of [these] little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
Mar 14:22 ¶ And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake [it], and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.
Mar 14:23 And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave [it] to them: and they all drank of it.
Mar 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
2. Why did he allow people to worship him?
3. Why as the woman with the issue of blood out in public. Shouldn't she have been shut up as she was unclean?
4. If Jesus was a priest, High priest, why did Jesus keep going around dead people. There are prohibitions against that in law. We never heard of him being cleansed by ashes of red heifer in any of gospels.
5. Did anyone cast out devils in OT?
I hope you guys don't try to eat me for lunch. I really want to hear valid answers to these questions. My greatest fear is that I have answered myself, as I wrote this email. I have loved Jesus for years. Really, I still do. I want to believe in him, but the scriptures just doesn't add up. I can't continue a lifestyle of lies.

Permalink Reply by Suzanne Andria venter on March 4, 2010 at 2:15pm

Dear sisters talk again tom,I live in South Africa and its way past bedtime for me,Tamla would like to answer your question about quotes in Mark,and you know if someone "wants to eat you for lunch" they can not have the love of Yeshua in them,because that is not His way!! Shalom Suzanne

Suzanne Andria venter said:

Let me explain about Yeshua when He spoke of Himself as..
1.Son of Man/Adam that meant He was 100% human - Isaiah 7:14 Therefor the Lord Himself will give you sign: the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son and will be called Immanuel - God with us.
2. Son of Abraham - He was 100% Jewish - Matthew 1:2 Abraham was the father of Isaac....it gives Yeshua's genealogy from his earthly's father Joseph and Luke 3:24 gives Mary's genealogy although it says son of Joseph son of Heli ..(The Greeks uses that way) from Mary's side..Davids son Nathan...Joseph's side - David the father of Solomon.
3. Son of David - He is 100% Royalty - same as above
4. Son of God - He is God - Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born,to us a son is given and the government will be on His shoulder.And he will be called Wonderful Counsellor,MIGHTY GOD,Everlasting Father,Prince of Peace.

Suzanne Andria venter said:

Dear Tamla I will try with the grace of YHWH to explain every question you ask.
fisrt of all Nehemia is still a Karaite Jew,he intimately knows the Scritures,Old and New Testament,and for some reason he bothers with Christians and for that I love him soooo much!!!

Tamla Boone said:

At this point, I believe Yeshua could have been A messiah-one of many. Yesterday, I said outloud for the first time, I don't believe he is God. But if the NT is correct and did come as a messenger, as an anointed one, to point us back to God...
1. Why did he make very confusing statements like:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
Mar 9:42 ¶ And whosoever shall offend one of [these] little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
Mar 14:22 ¶ And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake [it], and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.
Mar 14:23 And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave [it] to them: and they all drank of it.
Mar 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
2. Why did he allow people to worship him?
3. Why as the woman with the issue of blood out in public. Shouldn't she have been shut up as she was unclean?
4. If Jesus was a priest, High priest, why did Jesus keep going around dead people. There are prohibitions against that in law. We never heard of him being cleansed by ashes of red heifer in any of gospels.
5. Did anyone cast out devils in OT?
I hope you guys don't try to eat me for lunch. I really want to hear valid answers to these questions. My greatest fear is that I have answered myself, as I wrote this email. I have loved Jesus for years. Really, I still do. I want to believe in him, but the scriptures just doesn't add up. I can't continue a lifestyle of lies.

Permalink Reply by David on March 4, 2010 at 6:10pm

http://rootsoffaith.org/2008/11/30/the-testimony-abrahamic-faith-pa...

Above is a link that Ross Nichols gave that gets into this subject! (just what is the testament?) Also this audio teaching happens to be at the time of our first video attempt, along with the creation of this network, so you can hear of the concept and history of this site..........enjoy!

dave

ps. I tend to go with an "only one" testament idea........

Permalink Reply by Tamla Boone on March 4, 2010 at 8:29pm

Thank you David. I will get right on it.

David said:

http://rootsoffaith.org/2008/11/30/the-testimony-abrahamic-faith-pa...

Above is a link that Ross Nichols gave that gets into this subject! (just what is the testament?) Also this audio teaching happens to be at the time of our first video attempt, along with the creation of this network, so you can hear of the concept and history of this site..........enjoy!

dave

ps. I tend to go with an "only one" testament idea........

Permalink Reply by Karen on March 4, 2010 at 11:49pm

Tamla,
You ask such important and great questions! I have been following this discussion and I appreciate your zealous search for truth!
I think we all have, are or will be wrestling with the same important issues that you are wrestling with now. For me, it has been "quite" an incredible journey!
I will just share with you some of the insights that I have received along the way and you can take them or leave them, as you wish.
As to the New Testament, I too started to question things about it ,but it wasn’t until I read the book,”Misquoting Jesus” by Bart Ehrman, that I got my answer. I had been listening to a Tovia Singer show on Arutz Sheva (Israel National News) when he had James Tabor on as a guest speaker. I learned so much in this particular program and Professor Tabor recommended the book, “Misquoting Jesus”. I ordered it, read it and found out what I needed to know. Bart Ehrman is a world –renowned biblical scholar. He started out as a “born again”Christian. He studied at Moody Bible Institute, went on to Wheaton College and finished at Princeton. He now teaches NT at UNC, a colleague of Professor Tabor. What Bart Erhman was taught early about the “ inerrancy” of the New Testament scriptures did not “pan out” for him , (to use an old expression). His book is about the ancient manuscripts of the NT and the differences found in them, about the scribes who copied and sometimes changed them. I highly recommend it!

As to Jesus/Yeshua, I personally believe he was a very godly, righteous Jew, but a man and not God. Here are some powerful scriptures that loudly spoke to me as to the “Oneness” of God in my search.

“I am HASHEM your God since the land of Egypt, and you should not have known any god besides Me, for there is no savior but ME”. Hosea 13:4
(Since the land of Egypt! There was no trinity, no man-god, no twosome, just HASHEM alone….ONE GOD and He doesn’t want us to know any other god!)

“I will not carry out My burning wrath; I will not recant and destroy Ephraim, for I am God and not a man: the Holy One is in your midst,and I will not enter a city. Hosea 11:9. (also see Numbers 23:19 and 1Samuel 15:29).

6 “ For I am the LORD, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob. Malachi 3:6


0 “ You are My witnesses,” says the LORD, “ And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me.
(and HASHEM gave these words to Isaiah about 700+ years B.C.. No god "formed" after Him!)

5 I am the LORD, and there is no other; I will gird you, though you have not known Me, 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other;

8 Do not fear, nor be afraid; Have I not told you from that time, and declared it?
You are My witnesses. Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock;
I know not one.’” Isaiah 44:8

“O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, the One who dwells between the cherubim, You are God, You alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth. Isaiah 37:16

And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be—
“ The LORD is one,” And His name one. Zech. 14:9

Now I understand why the Shema is so important!

Enjoy your journey Tamla! Just pray and ask the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to reveal to you where you need to be on this issue. He will answer you mightly!
Karen

Permalink Reply by florence woodard-harris on March 5, 2010 at 4:44am

You are right there is not other God (Yah) outside of the Most High God. Now if you notice that Jesus Yahoshua said in John 17: 21-26 He never placed himself as the only God, nor did he tell his disciples to praise him as the Most High God. Just as man do in this day they give the president and kings honor, do did those that recognized that he was the one that the Prophets of old promised that would come, they thought that he was one of the prophets coming back, like Jeremiah, Isaiah,but Peter burst out and said that he was the Son of the Most High God (living God) and Jesus (Yahoshua ) said that no one could reveal this to him but the Most High God. And right now this day no one can reveal to Man, woman, boy or girl him but the Most High God. And You are right the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the only true God and you are telling her right to ask him and if her heart is correct he will reveal him to her in a way that she will never know that he exist again. He said it himself in the 3rd verse of John the 17th chapter. It is the Most High God (Yah) and his Son that we must understand in order to have eternal life. It is him first that we should know (understand) as well as understand why he sent his Son to live a life that was ordered by God (Yah) and written in the volume of the book to do his will and complete all things that concerning him to do. Could no man do what Jesus did, they could only copy it and still they are not the originator of this kind of life. And still they would rebel, because it would take a person to give up their own thoughts and opinions to follow a Masters plan such as Jesus (Yahoshua) did. That is the reason that many are trying to make a mockery of him even unto this day. She is right Sister Tamla Boone: you should seek the Most High answer to this, he will not lead you wrong. That is what I did at the age of nine and still when people got in the way of my view, I still sought truth and I did not give up until I found Him. The Most High God (Yah) showed me who he was by showing me who he wasn't...Sister did you not know that the Most High God (Yah) calls us gods? In Ps 82:6-John 10:34. Now remember that it was through the line of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that he came from. She is very smart, those are good questions and she will have more. We sometimes speak the things that Yah says, but we need to know that the same time he does not think like man. And he wants us to think like him, seeing things in the way he does and in our action that very same way. That is why he sent his Son, so that we can know how it is done without any mistakes. There is so much I can say about this, you have caused me to remember the beauty of knowing that I know, that I know that both Yah the Father,the one and only true God is real and besides in, outside of him, there is no other. Since Jesus is not separate from him, and I am not either we can still be rejoicing in that knowing He (Yah) is the Only Yah...and it does not make us unhappy not one bit...

Karen said:

Tamla,
You ask such important and great questions! I have been following this discussion and I appreciate your zealous search for truth! I think we all have, are or will be wrestling with the same important issues that you are wrestling with now. For me, it has been "quite" an incredible journey! I will just share with you some of the insights that I have received along the way and you can take them or leave them, as you wish.
As to the New Testament, I too started to question things about it ,but it wasn’t until I read the book,”Misquoting Jesus” by Bart Ehrman, that I got my answer. I had been listening to a Tovia Singer show on Arutz Sheva (Israel National News) when he had James Tabor on as a guest speaker. I learned so much in this particular program and Professor Tabor recommended the book, “Misquoting Jesus”. I ordered it, read it and found out what I needed to know. Bart Ehrman is a world –renowned biblical scholar. He started out as a “born again”Christian. He studied at Moody Bible Institute, went on to Wheaton College and finished at Princeton. He now teaches NT at UNC, a colleague of Professor Tabor. What Bart Erhman was taught early about the “ inerrancy” of the New Testament scriptures did not “pan out” for him , (to use an old expression). His book is about the ancient manuscripts of the NT and the differences found in them, about the scribes who copied and sometimes changed them. I highly recommend it!

As to Jesus/Yeshua, I personally believe he was a very godly, righteous Jew, but a man and not God. Here are some powerful scriptures that loudly spoke to me as to the “Oneness” of God in my search.

“I am HASHEM your God since the land of Egypt, and you should not have known any god besides Me, for there is no savior but ME”. Hosea 13:4
(Since the land of Egypt! There was no trinity, no man-god, no twosome, just HASHEM alone….ONE GOD and He doesn’t want us to know any other god!) Thank you so much for your time and and thank you for letting me share with as many as did need this view point. I needed as many to respond to this as well even though this was not my question, but many wanted to know this. You have cause me to open up the scriptures again at 4:53am. May Yah enrich you walk and peace upon this earth. Shalom to you...

“I will not carry out My burning wrath; I will not recant and destroy Ephraim, for I am God and not a man: the Holy One is in your midst,and I will not enter a city. Hosea 11:9. (also see Numbers 23:19 and 1Samuel 15:29).

6 “ For I am the LORD, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob. Malachi 3:6


0 “ You are My witnesses,” says the LORD, “ And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me.
(and HASHEM gave these words to Isaiah about 700+ years B.C.. No god "formed" after Him!)

5 I am the LORD, and there is no other; I will gird you, though you have not known Me, 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other;

8 Do not fear, nor be afraid; Have I not told you from that time, and declared it?
You are My witnesses. Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock;
I know not one.’” Isaiah 44:8

“O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, the One who dwells between the cherubim, You are God, You alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth. Isaiah 37:16

And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be—
“ The LORD is one,” And His name one. Zech. 14:9

Now I understand why the Shema is so important!

Enjoy your journey Tamla! Just pray and ask the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to reveal to you where you need to be on this issue. He will answer you mightly!
Karen

Permalink Reply by Suzanne Andria venter on March 5, 2010 at 4:46am

I followed what every one else said,some answered questions that I also wanted answered, I Just got a teaching from my Hebrew teacher showing how verses were added to the Gospel according to John. eg John 7 :39. But I cannot denounce Yeshua!!! I just can not!! I have been touched by the Holy Spirit,I dont lie about this,and I can not proof it. I dont take drugs or alcohol so that I could have been hallucinating having the experience I had with the HS,the first time it happend, a friend who was sitting next to me experienced the same thing. Otherwise I would have thought I have gone mad!! While praising and worshipping it happend to my husband and to my 2 daugthers as well.
If we were keeping us selves busy with idolatery,this would not have happend.
If this experiences were not from God,what was it then??

Sandra Inglis said:

Shalom Karen,

These are excellent verses. I praise YeHoWaH that He is leading you into all truth. I thank YeHoWaH that He is calling us out of our idolatry and showing us His truth. May we continue to seek His truth. I pray that YeHoWaH will be with us and give us wisdom to discern between truth and lies. I pray YeHoWaH will not let us be deceived, but will lead us and teach us His truth.

Tamla I praise YeHoWaH that He is leading you out of idolatry and teaching you His truth. May YeHoWaH continue to be with you and keep you from deception. May He give you wisdom to discern the truth from the lies.

YeHoWaH is opening our eyes to our idolatry and is calling us back to Himself. May we return to Him with a whole heart and seek His will in our lives.

Shalom and Blessings,
Sandra.

Karen said:

Tamla,
You ask such important and great questions! I have been following this discussion and I appreciate your zealous search for truth! I think we all have, are or will be wrestling with the same important issues that you are wrestling with now. For me, it has been "quite" an incredible journey! I will just share with you some of the insights that I have received along the way and you can take them or leave them, as you wish.
As to the New Testament, I too started to question things about it ,but it wasn’t until I read the book,”Misquoting Jesus” by Bart Ehrman, that I got my answer. I had been listening to a Tovia Singer show on Arutz Sheva (Israel National News) when he had James Tabor on as a guest speaker. I learned so much in this particular program and Professor Tabor recommended the book, “Misquoting Jesus”. I ordered it, read it and found out what I needed to know. Bart Ehrman is a world –renowned biblical scholar. He started out as a “born again”Christian. He studied at Moody Bible Institute, went on to Wheaton College and finished at Princeton. He now teaches NT at UNC, a colleague of Professor Tabor. What Bart Erhman was taught early about the “ inerrancy” of the New Testament scriptures did not “pan out” for him , (to use an old expression). His book is about the ancient manuscripts of the NT and the differences found in them, about the scribes who copied and sometimes changed them. I highly recommend it!

As to Jesus/Yeshua, I personally believe he was a very godly, righteous Jew, but a man and not God. Here are some powerful scriptures that loudly spoke to me as to the “Oneness” of God in my search.

“I am HASHEM your God since the land of Egypt, and you should not have known any god besides Me, for there is no savior but ME”. Hosea 13:4
(Since the land of Egypt! There was no trinity, no man-god, no twosome, just HASHEM alone….ONE GOD and He doesn’t want us to know any other god!)

“I will not carry out My burning wrath; I will not recant and destroy Ephraim, for I am God and not a man: the Holy One is in your midst,and I will not enter a city. Hosea 11:9. (also see Numbers 23:19 and 1Samuel 15:29).

6 “ For I am the LORD, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob. Malachi 3:6


0 “ You are My witnesses,” says the LORD, “ And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me.
(and HASHEM gave these words to Isaiah about 700+ years B.C.. No god "formed" after Him!)

5 I am the LORD, and there is no other; I will gird you, though you have not known Me, 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other;

8 Do not fear, nor be afraid; Have I not told you from that time, and declared it?
You are My witnesses. Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock;
I know not one.’” Isaiah 44:8

“O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, the One who dwells between the cherubim, You are God, You alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth. Isaiah 37:16

And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be—
“ The LORD is one,” And His name one. Zech. 14:9

Now I understand why the Shema is so important!

Enjoy your journey Tamla! Just pray and ask the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to reveal to you where you need to be on this issue. He will answer you mightly!
Karen

Permalink Reply by Suzanne Andria venter on March 5, 2010 at 5:00am

I totally agree with Florence let the Spirit of the Most High guide you Tamla!! If man convince you of anything it will be a waste,because the next man can come and convince you of anything and everything else,but if the Spirit convince you,guide you,you will lay down your life for the truth of it. That is how I feel about Yeshua,the experiences I had with the Holy Spirit are something I know I never want to live with out,the Shalom, the wholeness,the completeness,the holiness,its just undescribeable.
Shalom Sandri

florence woodard-harris said:

You are right there is not other God (Yah) outside of the Most High God. Now if you notice that Jesus Yahoshua said in John 17: 21-26 He never placed himself as the only God, nor did he tell his disciples to praise him as the Most High God. Just as man do in this day they give the president and kings honor, do did those that recognized that he was the one that the Prophets of old promised that would come, they thought that he was one of the prophets coming back, like Jeremiah, Isaiah,but Peter burst out and said that he was the Son of the Most High God (living God) and Jesus (Yahoshua ) said that no one could reveal this to him but the Most High God. And right now this day no one can reveal to Man, woman, boy or girl him but the Most High God. And You are right the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the only true God and you are telling her right to ask him and if her heart is correct he will reveal him to her in a way that she will never know that he exist again. He said it himself in the 3rd verse of John the 17th chapter. It is the Most High God (Yah) and his Son that we must understand in order to have eternal life. It is him first that we should know (understand) as well as understand why he sent his Son to live a life that was ordered by God (Yah) to do and complete. Could no man do what Jesus do, they could only copy it and still they are not the originator of this kind of life. And still they would rebel, because it would take a person to give up their own thoughts and opinions to follow a master plan such as Jesus (Yahoshua) did. That is the reason that many are trying to make a mockery of him even unto this day. She is right Sister Tamla Boone: you should seek the Most High answer to this, he will not lead you wrong. That is what I did at the age of nine and still when people got in the way of my view, I still sought truth and I did not give up. The Most High God (Yah) showed me who he was by showing me who he wasn't...Sister did you not know that the Most High God (Yah) calls us gods? In Ps 82:6-John 10:34. Now remember that it was through the line of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that he came from. She is very smart, those are good questions and she will have more. We sometimes speak the things that Yah says, but we need to know that the same time he does not think like man. And he wants us to think like him, seeing things in the way he does and in our action that very same way. That is why he sent his Son, so that we can know how it is done without any mistakes. There is so much I can say about this, you have caused me to remember the beauty of knowing that I know, that I know that both Yah the Father,the one and only true God is real and besides in, outside of him, there is no other. Since Jesus is not separate from him, and I am not either we can still be rejoicing in that knowing He (Yah) is the Only Yah...and it does not make us unhappy not one bit...

Karen said:

Tamla,
You ask such important and great questions! I have been following this discussion and I appreciate your zealous search for truth!
I think we all have, are or will be wrestling with the same important issues that you are wrestling with now. For me, it has been "quite" an incredible journey!
I will just share with you some of the insights that I have received along the way and you can take them or leave them, as you wish.
As to the New Testament, I too started to question things about it ,but it wasn’t until I read the book,”Misquoting Jesus” by Bart Ehrman, that I got my answer. I had been listening to a Tovia Singer show on Arutz Sheva (Israel National News) when he had James Tabor on as a guest speaker. I learned so much in this particular program and Professor Tabor recommended the book, “Misquoting Jesus”. I ordered it, read it and found out what I needed to know. Bart Ehrman is a world –renowned biblical scholar. He started out as a “born again”Christian. He studied at Moody Bible Institute, went on to Wheaton College and finished at Princeton. He now teaches NT at UNC, a colleague of Professor Tabor. What Bart Erhman was taught early about the “ inerrancy” of the New Testament scriptures did not “pan out” for him , (to use an old expression). His book is about the ancient manuscripts of the NT and the differences found in them, about the scribes who copied and sometimes changed them. I highly recommend it!

As to Jesus/Yeshua, I personally believe he was a very godly, righteous Jew, but a man and not God. Here are some powerful scriptures that loudly spoke to me as to the “Oneness” of God in my search.

“I am HASHEM your God since the land of Egypt, and you should not have known any god besides Me, for there is no savior but ME”. Hosea 13:4
(Since the land of Egypt! There was no trinity, no man-god, no twosome, just HASHEM alone….ONE GOD and He doesn’t want us to know any other god!)

“I will not carry out My burning wrath; I will not recant and destroy Ephraim, for I am God and not a man: the Holy One is in your midst,and I will not enter a city. Hosea 11:9. (also see Numbers 23:19 and 1Samuel 15:29).

6 “ For I am the LORD, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob. Malachi 3:6


0 “ You are My witnesses,” says the LORD, “ And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me.
(and HASHEM gave these words to Isaiah about 700+ years B.C.. No god "formed" after Him!)

5 I am the LORD, and there is no other; I will gird you, though you have not known Me, 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other;

8 Do not fear, nor be afraid; Have I not told you from that time, and declared it?
You are My witnesses. Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock;
I know not one.’” Isaiah 44:8

“O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, the One who dwells between the cherubim, You are God, You alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth. Isaiah 37:16

And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be—
“ The LORD is one,” And His name one. Zech. 14:9

Now I understand why the Shema is so important!

Enjoy your journey Tamla! Just pray and ask the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to reveal to you where you need to be on this issue. He will answer you mightly!
Karen

Permalink Reply by florence woodard-harris on March 5, 2010 at 6:54am

Remember that Yahoshua said this in John 3:3-12,13, When he was talking to an teacher name Nicodemus about being born again, he said: what is spirit is spirit and what is flesh is flesh. Now you know that a grown man can not enter back into his mothers womb a second time, so you must know that it has to be a spiritual birth, "right"
And remember that the Most High Yah is spirit as well, not as the ones that practice witchcraft or idol worship, but as being pure in your way of thinking as well as actions. Nicodemus was hiding in the cover of darkness (false intentions) when he went to Yahoshua; thinking that Yahoshua would tell him some secretes that he did tell anyone else of how he got the wisdom in which he had. In studying the recordings of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, lets me know that someone was keeping a record of all the things that Yahoshua was doing and saying the corresponded with the prophets of old prophecies that bore witness of what they saw and was told that would happen in times to come.
And if you were to look with the reference scriptures you can see that the things that were said and done they were recorded the scriptures of the law and prophets, and Nicodemus knew this as well as well as the Priest and High and chief priest, the Pharisees, Sadducess, Scribes. And they were envious of him, just as there are those in this day are of the fact that a man, born of a woman could have the nerve to say that he is the Son of the Most High Yah. then I would ask them: what profit is it in it for you to worship Yah if you can know his thoughts and share in his kingdom as being his sons and daughters?
If you were to take sometime and go back over it and you will see that they knew he was the one to come. And Knew the around about the time he was to appear. In the 2nd chapter of Matthew. This King of Judaea King Herod, thought just like man do, still this day, if it is not me, he will not live to anyone, lets kill him, and if you were to notice that every one that thought like him, he gather around him to see what their opinion was. Now if he was a godly man he would have humbled himself and gave way to the will of the Most High Yah, don't you think? Now the knew if the Most High God told his prophet things that would happen, they could bank on it to come to pass. Just like now if we really believe in the what the Most High God (Yah) says then we must know that it will come to pass. No matter how hard we try to fight it. I would start looking at all of the things in he Old Testament to see what was written of him in those volumes of the book for him to fulfill and you would know if he was who he was. And you would not have to tell anyone, just ask the Most High God and he will reveal it to you. If you look at the 14th verse of John 3rd you will see that he quoted about the sepent in Moses hand that was lifted up in the wilderness, so shall he must be lifted up. Now that thing in which spoke of was not the natural thing, because that natural thing was destroyed. It could not go into the promise land. So it must have been something more meaningful, which was spiritual, and would you say that it was him that it was indicating? These things that the Most High God showed to the people of old was a shadowing of things to come, that it was not in truth the final reality of his plan. And he did fight for their behave and feed them and cloth them and did all manner of miracles for them. And still they did not believe him, but he knew that some would see and hear his Son once their heart was cleansed for the Spirit of truth could show them thing in the manner they really are. And that way is seen clearly through his eyes. His view, his mind. I found some interesting things in the Thesaurus that got my attention. I was thinking of how I should respond to you and I thought of what Jesus (Yahoshua) said that he was.He said that he was The Way, Truth and Life Now I looked up way and this is what I found That something that someone wants to happen or to do.
Now I spoke it this way as if Yahoshua said it like this ( I am that something that Yah wanted to happen and to do.)
or i am the Manner in which something is placed, packed or arranged or the direction it faces.
or I am the path, room, territory, space, allowing movement, progress or action.
or I am the extent or amount to which somebody does something.
or I am the surface used to guide or provide support to moving part.
OR I am a feature aspect or example of something, or I am the door or opening that leads or provide access to or from somewhere.
or a physical means of getting from one place to another.
or I am the state or condition of somebody or something especially with regards to health or finance.
or I am the usual characteristic or distinctive activity or style of behavior or customary style or practise of sombodys life or usual occurance or pattern. And it is written do not forsake the pattern that was shown to Moses on the Mount... Now there is so much more that I could say, But you seek truth ( final reality) facts always changes, Truth doesn't for me you or anyone. Opinion of just that it changes as well. Yah never Lies he can't. it is not that he won't he can't...Thank you for allowing me to share with you. If some one could have taken time with me in my youth so tell me things to search I would have gotten my heart broke as many times as I did looking for truth. But I guess if it didn't happen the way that it did I wouldn't be on the path that I am. And I am still learning each and everyday from my brothers and sisters. Again thanks for listening, and to all that was blessed by this... you are a blessing as well. stay blessed and hold on to life. Your intentions are good...

Tamla Boone said:

Hi Suzanne,
I really enjoyed reading his newsletter this month. I think he has a video teaching on his website same title as book. I also want to read The Prayer to the Father.

Suzanne Andria venter said:

Dear Tamla I will try with the grace of YHWH to explain every question you ask.
fisrt of all Nehemia is still a Karaite Jew,he intimately knows the Scritures,Old and New Testament,and for some reason he bothers with Christians and for that I love him soooo much!!!

Tamla Boone said:

At this point, I believe Yeshua could have been A messiah-one of many. Yesterday, I said outloud for the first time, I don't believe he is God. But if the NT is correct and did come as a messenger, as an anointed one, to point us back to God...
1. Why did he make very confusing statements like:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
Mar 9:42 ¶ And whosoever shall offend one of [these] little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
Mar 14:22 ¶ And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake [it], and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.
Mar 14:23 And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave [it] to them: and they all drank of it.
Mar 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
2. Why did he allow people to worship him?
3. Why as the woman with the issue of blood out in public. Shouldn't she have been shut up as she was unclean?
4. If Jesus was a priest, High priest, why did Jesus keep going around dead people. There are prohibitions against that in law. We never heard of him being cleansed by ashes of red heifer in any of gospels.
5. Did anyone cast out devils in OT?
I hope you guys don't try to eat me for lunch. I really want to hear valid answers to these questions. My greatest fear is that I have answered myself, as I wrote this email. I have loved Jesus for years. Really, I still do. I want to believe in him, but the scriptures just doesn't add up. I can't continue a lifestyle of lies.

Permalink Reply by florence woodard-harris on March 5, 2010 at 7:23am

Yes you are right and Yah did say that, and he is not the God (Yah) of the dead but of the living, I have experience with that Most High God and all that is connected to him. I know that Yah is Spirit and those that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth. I know that Yahoshua is not dead. Just as I know that the Most High God (Yah) is not dead. And it is the Spirit of Truth that I listen to which is sent from the Father of light, and because you do not see him, of course you would not believe him but it does not make him a lier, He can not lie. The spirit world is more real then the natural world. And Satan knows that as well, he knows that there are a spirits of hatred, murder, envy, greed, lies, deceit,jealousy, mockery, rebellion,lust,disobediance, whormongers, Death,and those are called familiar spirits, and they will connect to all those that they are familiar with, those that have that same mind set in operation and they will stay clear of all those who has a pure heart. That is why they did not want Yahoshua around because they knew that he did not have any spirit that they were familiar with. He had the Spirit of the Most High God (Yah) and that same Spirit was the one that rose him from the dead. Satan thought he had him forever and he was shown that he did not have power over the word of truth nor the Spirit of truth. Now there is no mistakes in the Most High God (Yah) his is that and much more infinity. And we that Welcome and Obey the Most High God (Yah) do welcome his Spirit to rest rule and abide with us forever Amen. And we do rejoice in him now and forever more in and with his Spirit.We will talk soon if Yah say so. In the mean time I pray that you will be happy and stay encouraged. All praise to Yah for his truth, it makes men free...

Sandra Inglis said:

Shalom Suzanne,
I do not doubt that you had a spiritual experience while you were praising and worshiping Yeshua.
I do know that there are many people who have had spiritual experiences. Many people who seek answers from the dead or from familiar spirits have spiritual experiences. This does not mean that these spirits of the dead or familiar spirits are God or that they are even a spirit of God.

Yeshua was a man, he was not and is not God. He died and is dead today. Praying to him and worshiping him can bring about the same type of spiritual experience as those who pray to the dead or familiar spirits experience.

YeHoWaH's word clearly tells us not to pray to the dead or to familiar spirits.

Leviticus 19:31 Turn ye not unto the ghosts, nor unto familiar spirits; seek them not out, to be defiled by them: I am YeHoWaH your God.

Leviticus 20:6 And the soul that turneth unto the ghosts, and unto the familiar spirits, to go astray after them, I will even set My face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

Isaiah 8:13-22 YeHoWaH of hosts, Him shall ye sanctify; and let Him be your fear, and let Him be your dread. And He shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.' 'Bind up the testimony, seal the instruction among My disciples.' And I will wait for YeHoWaH, that hideth His face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for Him. Behold, I and the children whom YeHoWaH hath given me shall be for signs and for wonders in Israel from YeHoWaH of hosts, who dwelleth in mount Zion. And when they shall say unto you: 'Seek unto the ghosts and the familiar spirits, that chirp and that mutter; should not a people seek unto their God? on behalf of the living unto the dead for instruction and for testimony?' - Surely they will speak according to this word, wherein there is no light. - And they shall pass this way that are sore bestead and hungry; and it shall come to pass that, when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse by their king and by their God, and, whether they turn their faces upward, or look unto the earth, behold distress and darkness, the gloom of anguish, and outspread thick darkness.

Those who turn to ghosts and familiar spirits will be punished. This worship of ghosts and familiar spirits was a practice in Egypt and as YeHoWaH's word says they will be punished for this sin.

Isaiah 19:1-4 The burden of Egypt. Behold, YeHoWaH rideth upon a swift cloud, and cometh unto Egypt; and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at His presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt within it. And I will spur Egypt against Egypt; and they shall fight every one against his brother, and everyone against his neighbour; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom. And the spirit of Egypt shall be made empty within it; and I will make void the counsel thereof; and they shall seek unto the idols, and to the whisperers, and to the ghosts, and to the familiar spirits. And I will give over the Egyptians into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, YeHoWaH of hosts.

Praying to Yeshua is praying to a dead person. He is a ghost or familiar spirit. This can bring about a spiritual experience. This practice is forbidden by YeHoWaH and a spiritual experience brought about by such practice does not prove that Yeshua is God or the son of God.

Worshiping and praying to Yeshua is worshiping and praying to a ghost or a familiar spirit. Worshiping and praying to a ghost or familiar spirit is idol worship. All idolaters will be punished by YeHoWaH.

To find the truth about YeHoWaH you have to pray to YeHoWaH and seek His truth through His word, which is written for us in the Hebrew Tanakh, by His prophets.

YeHoWaH is calling us to turn from idolatry and return to Him.

Shalom and Blessings,
Sandra.




Suzanne Andria venter said:

I followed what every one else said,some answered questions that I also wanted answered, I Just got a teaching from my Hebrew teacher showing how verses were added to the Gospel according to John. eg John 7 :39. But I cannot denounce Yeshua!!! I just can not!! I have been touched by the Holy Spirit,I dont lie about this,and I can not proof it. I dont take drugs or alcohol so that I could have been hallucinating having the experience I had with the HS,the first time it happend, a friend who was sitting next to me experienced the same thing. Otherwise I would have thought I have gone mad!! While praising and worshipping it happend to my husband and to my 2 daugthers as well.
If we were keeping us selves busy with idolatery,this would not have happend.
If this experiences were not from God,what was it then?? Sandra Inglis said:

Shalom Karen,

These are excellent verses. I praise YeHoWaH that He is leading you into all truth. I thank YeHoWaH that He is calling us out of our idolatry and showing us His truth. May we continue to seek His truth. I pray that YeHoWaH will be with us and give us wisdom to discern between truth and lies. I pray YeHoWaH will not let us be deceived, but will lead us and teach us His truth.

Tamla I praise YeHoWaH that He is leading you out of idolatry and teaching you His truth. May YeHoWaH continue to be with you and keep you from deception. May He give you wisdom to discern the truth from the lies.

YeHoWaH is opening our eyes to our idolatry and is calling us back to Himself. May we return to Him with a whole heart and seek His will in our lives.

Shalom and Blessings,
Sandra.

Karen said:

Tamla,
You ask such important and great questions! I have been following this discussion and I appreciate your zealous search for truth! I think we all have, are or will be wrestling with the same important issues that you are wrestling with now. For me, it has been "quite" an incredible journey! I will just share with you some of the insights that I have received along the way and you can take them or leave them, as you wish.
As to the New Testament, I too started to question things about it ,but it wasn’t until I read the book,”Misquoting Jesus” by Bart Ehrman, that I got my answer. I had been listening to a Tovia Singer show on Arutz Sheva (Israel National News) when he had James Tabor on as a guest speaker. I learned so much in this particular program and Professor Tabor recommended the book, “Misquoting Jesus”. I ordered it, read it and found out what I needed to know. Bart Ehrman is a world –renowned biblical scholar. He started out as a “born again”Christian. He studied at Moody Bible Institute, went on to Wheaton College and finished at Princeton. He now teaches NT at UNC, a colleague of Professor Tabor. What Bart Erhman was taught early about the “ inerrancy” of the New Testament scriptures did not “pan out” for him , (to use an old expression). His book is about the ancient manuscripts of the NT and the differences found in them, about the scribes who copied and sometimes changed them. I highly recommend it!

As to Jesus/Yeshua, I personally believe he was a very godly, righteous Jew, but a man and not God. Here are some powerful scriptures that loudly spoke to me as to the “Oneness” of God in my search.

“I am HASHEM your God since the land of Egypt, and you should not have known any god besides Me, for there is no savior but ME”. Hosea 13:4
(Since the land of Egypt! There was no trinity, no man-god, no twosome, just HASHEM alone….ONE GOD and He doesn’t want us to know any other god!)

“I will not carry out My burning wrath; I will not recant and destroy Ephraim, for I am God and not a man: the Holy One is in your midst,and I will not enter a city. Hosea 11:9. (also see Numbers 23:19 and 1Samuel 15:29).

6 “ For I am the LORD, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob. Malachi 3:6


0 “ You are My witnesses,” says the LORD, “ And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me.
(and HASHEM gave these words to Isaiah about 700+ years B.C.. No god "formed" after Him!)

5 I am the LORD, and there is no other; I will gird you, though you have not known Me, 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other;

8 Do not fear, nor be afraid; Have I not told you from that time, and declared it?
You are My witnesses. Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock;
I know not one.’” Isaiah 44:8

“O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, the One who dwells between the cherubim, You are God, You alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth. Isaiah 37:16

And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be—
“ The LORD is one,” And His name one. Zech. 14:9

Now I understand why the Shema is so important!

Enjoy your journey Tamla! Just pray and ask the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob to reveal to you where you need to be on this issue. He will answer you mightly!
Karen

Permalink Reply by Tamla Boone on March 5, 2010 at 8:36am

Suzanne,
This is a question I have also...It is the one question that keeps me from totally letting go of Christianity. I was in very Pentecostal, very so called Spirit Filled Churches, I loved church. After God called me out, I sometimes wanted to return. I would go in and cry, because I could now see the Flesh involved, the man involved. Sometime, these "movements" had nothing to do with God. Sometimes, we prayed for move of Holy Spirit, god's presence, but when you saw the "presence", saw the "manifestation". But I would look around at how people were responding, and (sometimes) wonder, exactly what or who's presence was it? This didn't happen all the time. Sometimes it was wonderful, beautiful. You knew it was God. This is the part, I don't have figured out.
But I keep hearing the father saying, "If I was praying to a false god; could that god have given me what I wanted, given me what I asked for?" I don't think God would hate or belittle these experiences...he may have some way been involved. But, I think we have to let go of them. I remember them, I journaled them, oh how I loved them, but I think they were a great tool used to draw us to the ONE true God. Like most tools, they wear out, you throw them away. I think they were part of the blinders on our eyes.

Permalink Reply by Tamla Boone on March 5, 2010 at 8:39am

Sandra,
Thank you for taking the time to respond. The scripture you provide is very good for my own study. I love the way you back up everything with scripture. It put or answers back on us, we ultimately have to search the scriptures and with Gods help find our own truth.

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