Shalom,
How many times has something like this happened to you? You open the fridge or cabinet looking for something, and cannot find it. You turn to your spouse and ask them where is it, only to find that it is right there in front of your eyes, right there in the middle. Often times it seems things that should be obvious are hidden, hidden in plain sight.
If I were to ask you what your root is, would you tell me of your offspring or your ancestors? How could I, for so many years during my Christian upbringing believe that the root of Dawid was his offspring? It is only due to doctrinal obsfucation that I could have come to such a conclusion. Even in Micah it is quite clear that this one is an ancestor, not an offspring:
Mi 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
His goings forth are from the old days, from days long before. The book of Revelation says this:
Rev 5:5 And one of the elders is saying to me, "Do no lament! Lo! He conquers! The Lion out of the tribe of Judah, the Root of Dawid, is to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals!"
That is from the Concordant Version of the New Testament, still the most literal translation of both the New Testament and Tanakh that I have yet to find. The problem is though it claims that this root of Dawid is the lion from out of the tribe of Judah. But then in the very next verse claims he is a lambkin. How can that be? Is he a lion or a lamb? Well, as far as I know, there is no punctuation in the Greek or Hebrew. I would punctuate it differently:
Rev 5:5 And one of the elders is saying to me, "Do no lament! Lo! He conquers the Lion out of the tribe of Judah! The Root of Dawid is to open the scroll and to loose its seven seals!"
The root of Dawid conquered the lion from out of the tribe of Yehuda. Is it possible that this is a more accurate punctuation? If so, just who could this be referring to? Who conquered the lion from out of the tribe of Yehuda? Who is this so called lambkin?
A long long time ago a man, the chosen son of Yaqob, the firstborn of the barren mother, the one who was rejected by his own brothers, sold off into slavery due to Yehuda's suggestion, suffered, was falsely accused, and thru his suffering many were saved. The one who was believed dead, looked like some kind of Egyptian man god to his brothers while he tested their loyalty to their F/father, seemingly held their lives in his hands, and would receive the birthright passed from Abraham to Yitzchaq to Yaqob.
Isn't this somewhat obvious? The only other doctrinal obsfucation is the lineage of Dawid, which is a subject in itself, but it seems quite clear to me that Samuel identifies Dawid as an Ephramite (Sam 17:12) who dwelled in the town of Bethlehem (as also stated in Micah) that was in the tribal region of Yehuda (there is another Bethlehem which was in the tribal region of Zebulun). But that is another study that I will gladly share my findings on if any find this "foolishness" of interest.
I will also add that if you notice John's imagery, the 4 alive ones (beasts) that surround the throne of YHWH are the 4 encampments as described in the wilderness, and the 24 elders would be the 24 names from Adam to Yaqob whom approved of YHWH's choice of Yoseph as head and birthright holder.
Sincerely,
Tom
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Permalink Reply by Tom Moniz on July 13, 2011 at 6:28pm Hi Rimmon,
Makes me wonder just what part you found interesting :-)
There is quite a bit to all this, most of which is in the Hebrew texts, but if I could, let me quote the man from Galilee when he shared his view on Psalm 110:
Mt 22:41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
Kinda puts a different light on that question, no?
Who is the stone the builders rejected? I'll just quote KJV, but you really need to check the Hebrew on this verse:
Ge 49:24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)
As far as I know, aben (stone) is never used metaphorically concerning YHWH, only tzur (rock). A stone is a chip off the old block, a chip off the Rock. Aben in Hebrew is a combination of the words ab (father) and ben (son), it also has much to do with "building".
Anyway, this is a real rabbit hole, and I would be glad to share some of the Hebrew word searches I have stumbled into that support this subject.
Sincerely,
Tom
rimmon 24 said:
interesting
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