Where is it written Messiah would come twice?
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Permalink Reply by Ahava bas Levi on
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It is NOT worded that way,but...........
There are references to a Messiah that would come-a Son is Born- a Child given-we will call His Name Mighty G-d-Prince of Peace-Wondeful Counsellor etc............
That obviously is a Literal Person born on Earth as a Human Being!
In Daniel- we have the Vision/Prophecy= of the Lord appearing in the Clouds at the End of Days- when the Dead will arise First from their Graves & then the Living will Arise to be with Him in the Clouds.
There are other OT references that I forgot that refer to the Ancient of Days also appearing in the Sky etc!
From these various references- it seems that there are either 2 Messiah with 2 Different purposes OR 1 Messiah that First would be born on Earth as a Human Being-but with Godly Qualities- & then come back at the End & appear in the Clouds as the Savior & usher in the Messianic Age???????????
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Permalink Reply by pilgrim on -
Is. 9:5. For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace." (Complete Tanach.. with Rashi)
Note the tense in the verse. The child has been born and is a reference back to Is 7 where the young woman, most likely Isaiah’s wife, already pregnant, gives birth as a sign of the peace that Jerusalem will have when God saves Hezekiah and Jerusalem from the Assyrian king Sennacherib some 700 years before the NT era.
Also, there can be no dual prophecy since these conditions can no longer exist, and certainly did not exist in the NT era.
We should not be re-writing the bible in an attempt to force it into fitting our new history or theology.
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I agree-we should NEVER add or subtract to the BIBLE- that is a Huge Sin?
I guess I have had different Translations-I am always seeking Correct Translations- because even one Word can change the Meaning of everything-!!!!!!!!
I will now try again to study this more closely.I am at a Disadavntage-because I do NOT speak or Read Hebrew nor Ancient Hebrew & have NO ACCESS to the Original Texts.I do agree that this verse has Probably been manipulated in the Past by gentile translaters-whether or not it was deliberate or out of ignorance-I don't know???????
Christians themselves are now debating this very Issue & some now believe that this verse was mistaught or misunderstood by the gentile Church & also many Messianics.
COME LET US REASON TOGETHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Toddah for sharing-I am praying that WE ALL come to the Perfect Understanding & are ALL ECHAD & on the Same Page!!!!!!!!
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Permalink Reply by Tamla Boone on -
Hi,
Here are some great Hebrew-English websites.
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0.htm
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm
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Permalink Reply by Leo333 on -
Peace brother Wickes,
You said it best in the post prior!!
Interesting Duet: 18,.........Hebrew language and meaning of the number, did He not always send them in twos?
Think about the Last Supper by Leonardo DaVinci. There is then 12 represented Tribes and a woman. Science has proven we all descend from one woman found in S.Africa, with that, and I do not have the time , but know any interested could find, there is a famous Rabbi, I beleive in Israel, who says he may have found the code which breaks the Bible, that includes the NT. He is VERY close, lets pray this man finds the revelation he needs to bring the trth to the world, as you are so correct that we are spokes of a wheel, that center being of G-d.
Peace be with you/Shalom
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I believe that these CODES are Tricks of Satan- Satan knows how people love to Trust their Own Intellect & be SPECIAL & Satan also knows the Human Ego so well-
that's how he often Traps us!
The Scriptures ,Mitzvot,& Covenants were given to us openly by G-d-in LOVE-- to be our GUIDE-He was NOT being Secretive!
Everyone that I know of has Different Interpretations of the CODE.
I met the Original Torah Code Inventor in Jerusalem-Dr Eliyahu Ripps-from Hebrew U. I asked him (an Orthodox Jew)- if he found in the CODE- the NAME of the Moshiach.
He answered that he searched for it in the CODE & found the Coded Phrase-"Why do you want to know?.......
Michael Drosnin- of the BIBLE CODE Trilogy- in his 3rd Book- claimed that he found in the CODE- that Aliens had Created man!!!!!!!!!!
and Finally- a Messianic Jew wrote a Book- about the Bible Code & Claimed that he found in the Code- that YESHUA was all over the Code as the Name of the Messiah??????
BE VERY CAREFUL-EGO & INTELLECT are the ENEMY of the Ruach Ha Kodesh-Our FLESH- no matter how Brilliant- is Different from the Spirit-
G-d resists the Proud.
Many of my relatives have PHD's & Genius IQ's & have not found the Lord yet!!!!!!!
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Permalink Reply by Leo333 on
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The parable could be seen as CODE, good code breakers are those who have sought HIM, with the heart of G-d, let us not forget the circumstance that Revelation was written. CODES, a means of communication our ancestors have left us. See the care and sometimes the price those code carriers made to bring the word to us and they did it with vigilance and scrutiny, and detail- a code to authenticity. The Bible is for ALL. But each have own path as He reveals His truths to the chambers of our hearts. PEACE! LOVE!! Written by men via the HOLY GHOST!!! Does not G-d always leave HIS signature!?!
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Permalink Reply by pilgrim on
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Is. 45:19. Not in secret did I speak, in a place of a land of darkness; I did not say to the seed of Jacob, Seek Me, in vain; I am the Lord, Who speaks righteousness, declares things that are right.
20. Assemble and come, approach together, you survivors of the nations; those who carry their graven wooden image and pray to a god who does not save, do not know.
Leo333 said:The parable could be seen as CODE, good code breakers are those who have sought HIM, with the heart of G-d, let us not forget the circumstance that Revelation was written. CODES, a means of communication our ancestors have left us. See the care and sometimes the price those code carriers made to bring the word to us and they did it with vigilance and scrutiny, and detail- a code to authenticity. The Bible is for ALL. But each have own path as He reveals His truths to the chambers of our hearts. PEACE! LOVE!! Written by men via the HOLY GHOST!!! Does not G-d always leave HIS signature!?!
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I believe that the Verse in Is.45:19- sums it up- I agree with Pilgrim on this.The Only time that G-d hides anything is from the Wicked-NOT when He is trying to help Israel by telling them things to warn or help them.He is Direct & of Good Will!!!!!!! The obsession with CODES-I believe is FLESHLY (I love a Mystery myself & often get drawn in also-it feeds my intellect-human wisdom & mental pride)!!!!!!!!!
Again- one of the Biggest Enemy to the Ruach is our Flesh-Ego,Mental Pride,
Human Wisdom -one of my own weaknesses)!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Permalink Reply by Tamla Boone on
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It seems this conversation is a long way from the original question...lets get back on subject. If you want to continue the codes conversation, please open it's own discussion.
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Permalink Reply by Suzanne Andria venter on
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It is also written in Revelation tha the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the earth
Ahava bas Levi said:I agree-we should NEVER add or subtract to the BIBLE- that is a Huge Sin?
I guess I have had different Translations-I am always seeking Correct Translations- because even one Word can change the Meaning of everything-!!!!!!!!
I will now try again to study this more closely.I am at a Disadavntage-because I do NOT speak or Read Hebrew nor Ancient Hebrew & have NO ACCESS to the Original Texts.I do agree that this verse has Probably been manipulated in the Past by gentile translaters-whether or not it was deliberate or out of ignorance-I don't know???????
Christians themselves are now debating this very Issue & some now believe that this verse was mistaught or misunderstood by the gentile Church & also many Messianics.
COME LET US REASON TOGETHER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Toddah for sharing-I am praying that WE ALL come to the Perfect Understanding & are ALL ECHAD & on the Same Page!!!!!!!!
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