Birth account?
Shalom,
My studies have led me to believe that the birth accounts are fabrications, whether virgin or not. I have come to believe that they didn't have a clue where he came from and it was later writers who added much to the existing writings of the day in an attempt to "prove" his "royal" status. Why?
Well, for example, the lineages written in Luke and Matthew don't even agree on who Joseph's father was, plus he wasn't even the father according to the accounts.
Focusing on just Matthew, notice the inconsistencies. It claims that Herod slew all the children in Bethlehem under 2, but nowhere is this recorded in historical accounts. Many things have been written concerning the cruelty of Herod, but why is such a claim as this not mentioned? Surely this would have been mentioned, if not at the top of the list of his crimes.
This was supposed to have fulfilled what Yeremyah had written:
Mat 2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying,
18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.
Well, Rachel's children were Yoseph and Benaymin, and in Yeremyah 31 it is speaking of Ephraim and how they were dying due to lack of knowledge of Torah as shown in Hoshea and other prophets.
Another interesting claim is this:
23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.
From what I understand archeologically, there was no city called Nazareth at the time. What we do know though is that the Aramaic Matthew has notzer or netzer, nun, tzade, reysh, tav (to be honest, I forget exactly how it is spelled, I don't have the Aramaic at hand now), anyway, in the same prophecy of Yeremyah 31 it starts out speaking of the Netzerym from Mt Ephraim:
Jer 31:6 For there shall be a day, that the watchmen <05341> upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto YHWH our God.
It is as if they are crying out to Yehuda, hey what about us! This word netzer means to guard, keep, preserve, and is used most often in the Isaiah, Psalms and Proverbs, and has to do with those who preserve The Covenant, and those YHWH preserves (i will quote just a few examples):
Ps 25:10 All the paths of YHWH are mercy and truth unto such as keep <05341> his covenant and his testimonies.
Ps 31:23 O love YHWH, all ye his saints: for YHWH preserveth <05341> the faithful, and plentifully rewardeth the proud doer.
Ps 78:7 That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep <05341> his commandments:
As I see it, Matthew listed the prophecies that were fulfilled, as he saw it, but it was a later writer who added in the supposed fulfilments of those prophecies, and also the miraculous birth myths. Whereas John wrote nothing concerning the man from Galilee's birth. He merely starts out with him showing up at the Jordan river to be baptized, which I find to be much more believeable. The question for us, as it was for them (imo) is where did he come from? Micah prophecied:
Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old <06924>, from everlasting <03117> <03117>.
From qedem <06924>, from days <03117> eonian <03117>. From ancient times, times of another age.
When I consider the fact that human beings lived lives of hundreds of years before the flood, and if not for the transgression of Adam and Chavah, would have lived even longer lives, I believe it is very possible that this man from Galilee was a human who lived in the previous ages, ancient times, and had already been resurrected long before he showed up at the Jordan river. Actually, I believe it is quite possible that he is Yoseph, the righteous son of Yaqob, and that he was resurrected in the days of the deliverance from Mitzrym and has been alive ever since (whatever that exactly means). I have little "proof", but I have a whole slew of circumstancial evidence that points to this possibility, such as him being buried in an ark, and his wearing the ketonet which his brothers covered with blood to "cover" their sin, to his being identified as a nazir, to his being identified as the stone, to his being the original suffering servant, etc, etc, etc.
And yes, this means that the man from Galilee is not of the tribe of Yehuda, how could he be? Remember, the birthright went to Yoseph, and there is no way that Yehuda could have usurped it. It just is what it is. Yehuda can't usurp the birthright any more than Esau.
I envision a small enclave of faithful Ephramites living in the heart of Yehuda near Rachel's tomb, and that Dawid was the first Ephramite whom the tribe of Yehuda became attached to (as written in Ezekiel). Just as Yehowshua son of Nun led the tribes into the promised land, he was the individual Yosephite/Ephramite leader, but Yehuda was the faithful tribe who followed most closely as shown in Judges, which brings up another interesting little tidbit of circumstancial evidence found in the Hebrew.
In Hebrew the word(?) spelled aleph tav is not really a word, and is somewhat untranslateable. It is used to define the direct object of the verb in a sentence as it comes before the direct object. If you search the Hebrew phrase wav, yud, hey, yud - yud hey wav hey - aleph tav (and YHWH came to be) you will find only 4 references, the first 3 are to individuals, and the last one is referring to a tribe:
Ge 39:2 And YHWH was with Joseph, and he was a prosperous man; and he was in the house of his master the Egyptian.
Ge 39:21 But YHWH was with Joseph, and shewed him mercy, and gave him favour in the sight of the keeper of the prison.
Jos 6:27 So YHWH was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.
Jud 1:19 And YHWH was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
Not only that, even Yoseph's master and later the prison keeper saw that YHWH aleph tav wav:
Ge 39:3 And his master saw that YHWH was with him, and that YHWH made all that he did to prosper in his hand.
Ge 39:23 The keeper of the prison looked not to any thing that was under his hand; because YHWH was with him, and that which he did, YHWH made it to prosper.
These may be mere coincidences, but there are many many more I have stumbled upon in the Hebrew and I am more than willing to share them.
Amos 6:1 Woe to them that are at ease in Zion, and trust in the mountain of Samaria, which are named chief of the nations, to whom the house of Israel came! {are at…: or, are secure} {chief: or, firstfruits}
2 Pass ye unto Calneh, and see; and from thence go ye to Hamath the great: then go down to Gath of the Philistines: be they better than these kingdoms? or their border greater than your border?
3 Ye that put far away the evil day, and cause the seat of violence to come near; {seat: or, habitation}
4 That lie upon beds of ivory, and stretch themselves upon their couches, and eat the lambs out of the flock, and the calves out of the midst of the stall; {stretch…: or, abound with superfluities}
5 That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of musick, like David; {chant: or, quaver}
6 That drink wine in bowls, and anoint themselves with the chief ointments: but they are not grieved for the affliction of Joseph.
Yes, the affliction of Yoseph was indeed severe, falsely accused by both his brothers and Potipher's wife, suffered in slavery and prison, but thru whose wounds was found in a position to help his brothers make things right for themselves with their father, but when all is said and done, it is not about Yoseph, or the man from Galilee, or Jesus, or whatever, it is all about Father, it was all about the pain they had caused their father Yaqob, and it is all about the pain our transgressions and inept attempts at covering out tracks cause our Father in Heaven. May YHWH be merciful to us all.
Oh, another thing, Dawid could indeed say:
Ps 110:1 A Psalm of David. YHWH said unto my Master, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Because Yoseph was Dawid's master, he came before, he was the root of Dawid who overcame the lion from out of the tribe of Yehuda, as I see it. How else could he be both the root and the race of Dawid (check the greek)?
Bottom line, Yoseph's second dream has yet to be fulfilled.
I know this all sounds very strange, but I could go on and on and on. As it is written:
Ps 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
It seems the whole book is in one way or another about the righteous one, the son of Yaqob's barren wife Rachel... which is another point, the barren wife......
Sincerely,
Tom
My studies have led me to believe that the birth accounts are fabrications, whether virgin or not. I have come to believe that they didn't have a clue where he came from and it was later writers who added much to the existing writings of the day in an attempt to "prove" his "royal" status. Why?
Well, for example, the lineages written in Luke and Matthew don't even agree on who Joseph's father was, plus he wasn't even the father according to the accounts.
Focusing on just Matthew, notice the inconsistencies. It claims that Herod slew all the children in Bethlehem under 2, but nowhere is this recorded in historical accounts. Many things have been written concerning the cruelty of Herod, but why is such a claim as this not mentioned? Surely this would have been mentioned, if not at the top of the list of his crimes.
This was supposed to have fulfilled what Yeremyah had written:
Mat 2:16 Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
17 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying,
18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.
Well, Rachel's children were Yoseph and Benaymin, and in Yeremyah 31 it is speaking of Ephraim and how they were dying due to lack of knowledge of Torah as shown in Hoshea and other prophets.
Another interesting claim is this:
23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.
From what I understand archeologically, there was no city called Nazareth at the time. What we do know though is that the Aramaic Matthew has notzer or netzer, nun, tzade, reysh, tav (to be honest, I forget exactly how it is spelled, I don't have the Aramaic at hand now), anyway, in the same prophecy of Yeremyah 31 it starts out speaking of the Netzerym from Mt Ephraim:
Jer 31:6 For there shall be a day, that the watchmen <05341> upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto YHWH our God.
It is as if they are crying out to Yehuda, hey what about us! This word netzer means to guard, keep, preserve, and is used most often in the Isaiah, Psalms and Proverbs, and has to do with those who preserve The Covenant, and those YHWH preserves (i will quote just a few examples):
Ps 25:10 All the paths of YHWH are mercy and truth unto such as keep <05341> his covenant and his testimonies.
Ps 31:23 O love YHWH, all ye his saints: for YHWH preserveth <05341> the faithful, and plentifully rewardeth the proud doer.
Ps 78:7 That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep <05341> his commandments:
As I see it, Matthew listed the prophecies that were fulfilled, as he saw it, but it was a later writer who added in the supposed fulfilments of those prophecies, and also the miraculous birth myths. Whereas John wrote nothing concerning the man from Galilee's birth. He merely starts out with him showing up at the Jordan river to be baptized, which I find to be much more believeable. The question for us, as it was for them (imo) is where did he come from? Micah prophecied:
Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old <06924>, from everlasting <03117> <03117>.
From qedem <06924>, from days <03117> eonian <03117>. From ancient times, times of another age.
When I consider the fact that human beings lived lives of hundreds of years before the flood, and if not for the transgression of Adam and Chavah, would have lived even longer lives, I believe it is very possible that this man from Galilee was a human who lived in the previous ages, ancient times, and had already been resurrected long before he showed up at the Jordan river. Actually, I believe it is quite possible that he is Yoseph, the righteous son of Yaqob, and that he was resurrected in the days of the deliverance from Mitzrym and has been alive ever since (whatever that exactly means). I have little "proof", but I have a whole slew of circumstancial evidence that points to this possibility, such as him being buried in an ark, and his wearing the ketonet which his brothers covered with blood to "cover" their sin, to his being identified as a nazir, to his being identified as the stone, to his being the original suffering servant, etc, etc, etc.
And yes, this means that the man from Galilee is not of the tribe of Yehuda, how could he be? Remember, the birthright went to Yoseph, and there is no way that Yehuda could have usurped it. It just is what it is. Yehuda can't usurp the birthright any more than Esau.
I envision a small enclave of faithful Ephramites living in the heart of Yehuda near Rachel's tomb, and that Dawid was the first Ephramite whom the tribe of Yehuda became attached to (as written in Ezekiel). Just as Yehowshua son of Nun led the tribes into the promised land, he was the individual Yosephite/Ephramite leader, but Yehuda was the faithful tribe who followed most closely as shown in Judges, which brings up another interesting little tidbit of circumstancial evidence found in the Hebrew.
In Hebrew the word(?) spelled aleph tav is not really a word, and is somewhat untranslateable. It is used to define the direct object of the verb in a sentence as it comes before the direct object. If you search the Hebrew phrase wav, yud, hey, yud - yud hey wav hey - aleph tav (and YHWH came to be) you will find only 4 references, the first 3 are to individuals, and the last one is referring to a tribe:
Ge 39:2 And YHWH was with Joseph, and he was a prosperous man; and he was in the house of his master the Egyptian.
Ge 39:21 But YHWH was with Joseph, and shewed him mercy, and gave him favour in the sight of the keeper of the prison.
Jos 6:27 So YHWH was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.
Jud 1:19 And YHWH was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
Not only that, even Yoseph's master and later the prison keeper saw that YHWH aleph tav wav:
Ge 39:3 And his master saw that YHWH was with him, and that YHWH made all that he did to prosper in his hand.
Ge 39:23 The keeper of the prison looked not to any thing that was under his hand; because YHWH was with him, and that which he did, YHWH made it to prosper.
These may be mere coincidences, but there are many many more I have stumbled upon in the Hebrew and I am more than willing to share them.
Amos 6:1 Woe to them that are at ease in Zion, and trust in the mountain of Samaria, which are named chief of the nations, to whom the house of Israel came! {are at…: or, are secure} {chief: or, firstfruits}
2 Pass ye unto Calneh, and see; and from thence go ye to Hamath the great: then go down to Gath of the Philistines: be they better than these kingdoms? or their border greater than your border?
3 Ye that put far away the evil day, and cause the seat of violence to come near; {seat: or, habitation}
4 That lie upon beds of ivory, and stretch themselves upon their couches, and eat the lambs out of the flock, and the calves out of the midst of the stall; {stretch…: or, abound with superfluities}
5 That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of musick, like David; {chant: or, quaver}
6 That drink wine in bowls, and anoint themselves with the chief ointments: but they are not grieved for the affliction of Joseph.
Yes, the affliction of Yoseph was indeed severe, falsely accused by both his brothers and Potipher's wife, suffered in slavery and prison, but thru whose wounds was found in a position to help his brothers make things right for themselves with their father, but when all is said and done, it is not about Yoseph, or the man from Galilee, or Jesus, or whatever, it is all about Father, it was all about the pain they had caused their father Yaqob, and it is all about the pain our transgressions and inept attempts at covering out tracks cause our Father in Heaven. May YHWH be merciful to us all.
Oh, another thing, Dawid could indeed say:
Ps 110:1 A Psalm of David. YHWH said unto my Master, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Because Yoseph was Dawid's master, he came before, he was the root of Dawid who overcame the lion from out of the tribe of Yehuda, as I see it. How else could he be both the root and the race of Dawid (check the greek)?
Bottom line, Yoseph's second dream has yet to be fulfilled.
I know this all sounds very strange, but I could go on and on and on. As it is written:
Ps 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
It seems the whole book is in one way or another about the righteous one, the son of Yaqob's barren wife Rachel... which is another point, the barren wife......
Sincerely,
Tom
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