The Return of Y'shua and Psalms 110: Understanding Y'shua as Cohen Gadol and Moshiach

The Return of Y'shua and Psalms 110:
Understanding Y'shua as Cohen Gadol and Moshiach

By Rabbi Yochanan ben Avraham 06.22.10

Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. HaShem said unto my lord ["adon"], Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
110:2 HaShem shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the
beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of
thy youth.
110:4 HaShem hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
110:5 HaShem at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
110:6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with
the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.
110:7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.

This short Psalm reveals an important insight into Master Y'shua and his ongoing ministry that many Jews (including many Messianic Jews) and Nicene Christians generally overlook.

First we affirm that this is a Psalm of David (not to or about him) as the text clearly says. The Hebrew reads simply: mizmor david: "psalm [of] David" as it is normally translated. The same exact phrase is used in several of his other psalms where David's authorship is not
questioned. Every time mizmor david is used it is translated as "a Psalm of David" and means that he is the author.

The authorship of this Psalm is important because it says 'Adonai said to my lord/master..." Whose lord or master determines the context of what is said as we will see. Compare the JPS version on this: The LORD saith unto my lord. Likewise the translation at Chabad has it as: Of David a psalm. The word of the Lord to my master; "Wait for My right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool
at your feet."

Were this written to or about David rather than by him, as some maintain seeking to conceal the real identity, then 'my lord/master' would be referring to David and the meaning would be completely altered.
David of course was never a priest in the order of Melchizedek or otherwise (verse 4) and so this can not possibly be referring to him as "my lord." Indeed recall that due to David's indiscretions HaShem had David's son Shlo'mo (Solomon) build the Beit HaMikdash (Temple) rather
than David. This Psalm therefore obviously can not be referring to David. It was revealed to him about his lord (and ours).

The only logical interpretation is that HaShem was saying these things to David's lord (adon). David is saying by way of prophecy that HaShem is revealing what follows to and about his master, the Moshiach. As Messianic Jews we therefore understand this to be a direct reference to the ministry of Master Y'shua and to his two advents or comings.

This Psalm then is a prophecy about the Moshiach and includes a very important teaching that is usually missed.

HaShem is prophetically telling Master Y'shua (David's adon or lord), "Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."

From this we therefore perceive a definite time break: Master Y'shua will be (from David's perspective) present in his first advent however then he will have to wait until HaShem vanquishes his enemies as a footstool (verse 1).

How will this take place and how long will his wait be? Master Y'shua references this waiting period as follows:

Luke 21:24; And they [the Jewish people] shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations [as occurred/began in 70 CE]: and
Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

How long will these "times of the Gentiles" last? Mark covers this same teaching but records this important point made by the Master:

Mark 13:32: But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

So even Y'shua our adon (master) did not know, but there would be a period of waiting. As I discuss elsewhere we have excellent reason to believe that period is almost up!

Back now to Psalms 110.

Verse 2 tells us that this waiting will continue until HaShem sends the rod of Y'shua's strength out of Zion to rule in the midst of his enemies. There is an important Messianic prophecy referenced here:

Isaiah 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
11:2 And the spirit of Adonai shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of
knowledge and of the fear of Adonai.

This is the "rod that comes out of the stem of Jesse." This is one of the prophecies accepted by Orthodox Judaism as referring to the Moshiach (See Judaism 101: HERE for confirmation of this -- scroll to the bottom of that page for "Isaiah 11").

We see then that Moshiach will come but then wait until HaShem empowers him, as the rod of Jesse, to defeat his enemies.

What does Master Y'shua do during the Times of the Gentiles (Luke 21:24)? David explains!

Psalms 110:4 Adonai hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

During this waiting period Adon Y'shua has served HaShem as Cohen Gadol (High Priest or Mediator: I Timothy 2:5) of the entire world! This is confirmed at many places in the B'rit Hadashah scriptures (New Testament), for instance:

I Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Y'shua the Anointed;
2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

See that? "...to be testified in due time." The word testified is marturion and means to present conclusive evidence.

After Y'shua gave himself up on the starous (execution stake) he had to wait to be vindicated, to reveal his exonerating evidence to the world. The world will not see this evidence until the Times of the Gentiles is fulfilled (Luke 21:24) and HaShem exalts His Son and Servant (Psalms 110:1) Y'shua as HaMoshiach (the Messiah).

In the meantime Y'shua has been conducting the affairs of his office as Cohen Gadol as the mediator between God and humanity.

In due time -- once the Times of the Gentiles are fulfilled -- Y'shua will take up the mantle of Moshiach. By HaShem's power he will defeat the enemies of God and His people (Psalm 110:5,6) and he will bless all those who have blessed Israel and curse all who have cursed
them (Genesis 12:1-3). Then will Y'shua be vindicated (I Timothy 2:5,6).
He will lift up his head in ultimate victory (Psalms 110:7) and proclaim the establishment of the Kingdom of HaShem.

I hope to see you there.

Shalom

Tags: 110, cohen, gadol, moshiach, pslams, y'shua, yeshua

Replies to This Discussion

Permalink Reply by pilgrim on December 28, 2010 at 8:16am

The Chabad has it right.

Of David a psalm. The word of the Lord to my master; "Wait for My right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool at your feet."

The second word "lord" in most “bibles” is an appalling translation of the Hebrew word (pronounced ladonee). The correct translation of ladonee is "to my master" or "to my lord." The Hebrew word adonee never refers to
God anywhere in the Bible. It is only used for the profane, never the sacred. That is to say, God, the Creator of the universe, is never called adonee in the Bible.

"Thus you shall say to my lord (ladonee: ) Esau, 'Thus says your servant Jacob, "I have sojourned with Laban, and stayed until now." ' " (Genesis 32:4, New American Standard Bible)

King David, while not allowed to build the Temple, did everything he could to prepare the way for it to be built, and among the things he did was compile the book of Psalms to be sung by the Levites in the Temple. This Psalm was meant to be sung by the Levites, and thus reflects their point of view, for they would call their king "adoni."

The original purpose for which King David composed the Book of Psalms was for the Levites to sing them in the Temple. The Levites would stand on a platform and joyfully chant these spiritually exhilarating Psalms to an
inspired people. King David composed Psalm 110 for liturgical recitation by the Levites in the Temple years after his death. Therefore, the Levites would read this lyric,

The Lord [God] said to my master [King David] "Sit thou at my right hand . . . ."

Tovia Singer

Psalms are still in use in Synagogues today. Psalm 110 is a blatant redefinition of HaShem’s word to plead the NT doctrine.

There is no jesus in Psalm 110. We must stop playing with the bible.

Permalink Reply by James Daniel Tabor on December 28, 2010 at 9:03am

I wanted to add that the Hebrew in Psalm 110:4 has been badly translated in most Christian Bibles, as if it refers to some mysterious "new" priesthood, that of Melchizedek, the priest of 'El 'Elyon mentioned in Genesis 14. Such is not the case. There is no "order" of Melchizedek. The literal Hebrew is still addressed to David, it is the promise he heard from HaShem:

"You are a priest to the age according to my word, O king of righteousness."

It is true that certain groups, namely the Dead Sea Scroll community and the Nazarenes, later took this to refer to an eschatological figure of the Last Days, but even they did not think it was the Davidic Messiah, but actually someone greater, see 11QMelk, etc. a heavenly figure. This is picked up by the book of Hebrews. It is pure mythological expansion common in the period but the plain words of Tanakh do not support it.

David and his sons did serve as "priests" in a sense different than that of the Levites, see 2 Sam 8:18. The word in Hebrew, priest, means one who stands before God--prepared to mediate in some way, whether in teaching, service, or sacrifice.

Permalink Reply by Rabbi Yochanan Levine on December 28, 2010 at 9:43pm

Hi,

Les: ...The second word "lord" in most “bibles” is an appalling translation of the Hebrew word (pronounced ladonee). The correct translation of ladonee is "to my master" or "to my lord." The Hebrew word adonee never refers to
God anywhere in the Bible.

As I said. In Psalm 110 the 'âdôn is clearly referring in my opinion to David's 'âdôn. Hence Adonai said to my 'âdôn... God said to my lord. Who is David's lord ('âdôn)? As we read the Psalm it is clear the reference is to the coming Moshiach who will be a priest after the order of Malki-Tzedek." David was not such a priest so who is the 'âdôn if not Moshiach? His 'âdôn is told my HaShem to wait until his enemies are submitted to his reign. This waiting is still happening.

Les: ...That is to say, God, the Creator of the universe, is never called adonee in the Bible.

RY: Exactly.

Les: "Thus you shall say to my lord (ladonee: ) Esau, 'Thus says your servant Jacob, "I have sojourned with Laban, and stayed until now." ' " (Genesis 32:4, New American Standard Bible)

RY: That makes no sense. David is speaking of something yet to be not to someone who lived before he was born.

Les: This Psalm was meant to be sung by the Levites, and thus reflects their point of view, for they would call their king "adoni."

RY: And their king "who will be a priest after the order of Malki-Tzedek" is Moshiach (whoever he is). Malki-Tzedek was not a Levite.

Les: ...The Lord [God] said to my master [King David] "Sit thou at my right hand . . . ."

RY: That does not fit the context of the Psalm. David is reciting what HaShem said to his 'âdôn.

Les: There is no jesus in Psalm 110. We must stop playing with the bible.

RY: There is no Jesus, but there is Y'shua. I do not play with the Bible. I study it and accept what it says.

Shalom

Les Ruttka said:

The Chabad has it right.

Of David a psalm. The word of the Lord to my master; "Wait for My right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool at your feet."

The second word "lord" in most “bibles” is an appalling translation of the Hebrew word (pronounced ladonee). The correct translation of ladonee is "to my master" or "to my lord." The Hebrew word adonee never refers to
God anywhere in the Bible. It is only used for the profane, never the sacred. That is to say, God, the Creator of the universe, is never called adonee in the Bible.

"Thus you shall say to my lord (ladonee: ) Esau, 'Thus says your servant Jacob, "I have sojourned with Laban, and stayed until now." ' " (Genesis 32:4, New American Standard Bible)

King David, while not allowed to build the Temple, did everything he could to prepare the way for it to be built, and among the things he did was compile the book of Psalms to be sung by the Levites in the Temple. This Psalm was meant to be sung by the Levites, and thus reflects their point of view, for they would call their king "adoni."

The original purpose for which King David composed the Book of Psalms was for the Levites to sing them in the Temple. The Levites would stand on a platform and joyfully chant these spiritually exhilarating Psalms to an
inspired people. King David composed Psalm 110 for liturgical recitation by the Levites in the Temple years after his death. Therefore, the Levites would read this lyric,

The Lord [God] said to my master [King David] "Sit thou at my right hand . . . ."

Tovia Singer

Psalms are still in use in Synagogues today. Psalm 110 is a blatant redefinition of HaShem’s word to plead the NT doctrine.

There is no jesus in Psalm 110. We must stop playing with the bible.

Permalink Reply by Rabbi Yochanan Levine on December 28, 2010 at 10:00pm

Hi James,

The word dibrâh or "order" in the KJV means according to the style of. Melchizedek was not a Levite and yet he was a priest to whom Avraham tithed. David's âdôn, the Moshiach, who is being addressed here will not be (is not) a Levite and yet he is the Cohen Gadol or high priest and will become Moshiach eventually. This is perfectly consistent with the Hebrew here.

The psalm is of David. HaShem told David's âdôn. The remainder of the Psalm makes it clear that David was not the âdôn being addressed and while he served he did not serve as Melchizedek did.

James Tabor said:

I wanted to add that the Hebrew in Psalm 110:4 has been badly translated in most Christian Bibles, as if it refers to some mysterious "new" priesthood, that of Melchizedek, the priest of 'El 'Elyon mentioned in Genesis 14. Such is not the case. There is no "order" of Melchizedek. The literal Hebrew is still addressed to David, it is the promise he heard from HaShem:

"You are a priest to the age according to my word, O king of righteousness."

It is true that certain groups, namely the Dead Sea Scroll community and the Nazarenes, later took this to refer to an eschatological figure of the Last Days, but even they did not think it was the Davidic Messiah, but actually someone greater, see 11QMelk, etc. a heavenly figure. This is picked up by the book of Hebrews. It is pure mythological expansion common in the period but the plain words of Tanakh do not support it.

David and his sons did serve as "priests" in a sense different than that of the Levites, see 2 Sam 8:18. The word in Hebrew, priest, means one who stands before God--prepared to mediate in some way, whether in teaching, service, or sacrifice.

Permalink Reply by pilgrim on December 29, 2010 at 8:36am

Hi RY,

"Thus you shall say to my lord (ladonee: ) Esau, 'Thus says your servant Jacob, "I have sojourned with Laban, and stayed until now." ' " (Genesis 32:4, New American Standard Bible)

RY: That makes no sense. David is speaking of something yet to be not to someone who lived before he was born.

RY, i was not saying this is what Psal 110 said. This was merely another example of how ladonee is used in the Tanakh, and is used the same way in the Psalm

Les: This Psalm was meant to be sung by the Levites, and thus reflects their point of view, for they would call their king "adoni."

RY: And their king "who will be a priest after the order of Malki-Tzedek" is Moshiach (whoever he is). Malki-Tzedek was not a Levite.

Malki-Tzedek NEVER was applied to moschiac. This is a NT invention. There is no Tanakh in the NT unless you force it there.

Rabbi Yochanan ben Avraham said:

Hi,

Les: ...The second word "lord" in most “bibles” is an appalling translation of the Hebrew word (pronounced ladonee). The correct translation of ladonee is "to my master" or "to my lord." The Hebrew word adonee never refers to
God anywhere in the Bible.

As I said. In Psalm 110 the 'âdôn is clearly referring in my opinion to David's 'âdôn. Hence Adonai said to my 'âdôn... God said to my lord. Who is David's lord ('âdôn)? As we read the Psalm it is clear the reference is to the coming Moshiach who will be a priest after the order of Malki-Tzedek." David was not such a priest so who is the 'âdôn if not Moshiach? His 'âdôn is told my HaShem to wait until his enemies are submitted to his reign. This waiting is still happening.

Les: ...That is to say, God, the Creator of the universe, is never called adonee in the Bible.

RY: Exactly.

Les: "Thus you shall say to my lord (ladonee: ) Esau, 'Thus says your servant Jacob, "I have sojourned with Laban, and stayed until now." ' " (Genesis 32:4, New American Standard Bible)

RY: That makes no sense. David is speaking of something yet to be not to someone who lived before he was born.

Les: This Psalm was meant to be sung by the Levites, and thus reflects their point of view, for they would call their king "adoni."

RY: And their king "who will be a priest after the order of Malki-Tzedek" is Moshiach (whoever he is). Malki-Tzedek was not a Levite.

Les: ...The Lord [God] said to my master [King David] "Sit thou at my right hand . . . ."

RY: That does not fit the context of the Psalm. David is reciting what HaShem said to his 'âdôn.

Les: There is no jesus in Psalm 110. We must stop playing with the bible.

RY: There is no Jesus, but there is Y'shua. I do not play with the Bible. I study it and accept what it says.

Shalom

Les Ruttka said:

The Chabad has it right.

Of David a psalm. The word of the Lord to my master; "Wait for My right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool at your feet."

The second word "lord" in most “bibles” is an appalling translation of the Hebrew word (pronounced ladonee). The correct translation of ladonee is "to my master" or "to my lord." The Hebrew word adonee never refers to
God anywhere in the Bible. It is only used for the profane, never the sacred. That is to say, God, the Creator of the universe, is never called adonee in the Bible.

"Thus you shall say to my lord (ladonee: ) Esau, 'Thus says your servant Jacob, "I have sojourned with Laban, and stayed until now." ' " (Genesis 32:4, New American Standard Bible)

King David, while not allowed to build the Temple, did everything he could to prepare the way for it to be built, and among the things he did was compile the book of Psalms to be sung by the Levites in the Temple. This Psalm was meant to be sung by the Levites, and thus reflects their point of view, for they would call their king "adoni."

The original purpose for which King David composed the Book of Psalms was for the Levites to sing them in the Temple. The Levites would stand on a platform and joyfully chant these spiritually exhilarating Psalms to an
inspired people. King David composed Psalm 110 for liturgical recitation by the Levites in the Temple years after his death. Therefore, the Levites would read this lyric,

The Lord [God] said to my master [King David] "Sit thou at my right hand . . . ."

Tovia Singer

Psalms are still in use in Synagogues today. Psalm 110 is a blatant redefinition of HaShem’s word to plead the NT doctrine.

There is no jesus in Psalm 110. We must stop playing with the bible.

Permalink Reply by Anders Branderud on January 5, 2011 at 2:41pm

Shalom,

I will comment on some points.

You wrote:“exalts HisSon and Servant (Psalms 110:1)”

Yeshayahu 9:5 –translation in accordancewith etymology:

”and he called his name ‘Wonder,’ a counselor of Eil Jibor; My Father is until [i.e. forever], a minister of peace”)

The Creator does not change – Malakhi 3:6, Tehilim [”Psalms”] 89:35. The meaning of this passage from the year 720 b.c.e cannot have changed. For morethan eight centuries after that Yeshayahu proclaimed this prophecy, the Messianic interpretations remained strictly within the restrictions of Torah[“the books of Moses”] – a vision of a deadly human king patterned after king Khizqiyah. I.e. he was not ‘Gods Son’with a capital S [1]

He was aspiritual son, just like all Jews and geirim are spiritual sons of the Creator

accordingto the Tan’’kh

Secondly,

RegardingPaul compared to Torah:

As stipulated in Devarim ["Deuteronomy"] 6:4-9,11:13-21 one isrequired to keep all of the directives of Torâh′ to one’s utmost—viz., “withall one’s heart, psyche and might [lit. "very"]“—”for the purpose of extending your days and the days of your children… like the days of the heavens above the earth” (i.e., eternal life). According to the Tan’’kh -Yekhezeqeil["Ezekiel"] chapter 18 et.al - the Creator confer His atonementin His loving kindness only to those turning away from their Torah-transgressions and (re)turning to non-selectively Torah-observance toones utmost.

Paul taughtin contradiction to this and is thus not a prophet of HaSheim according to Devarim 13:1-6 [2]; and thus his doctrines shouldn’t be used in order to explainthe Will of HaSheim

Following the teachings of Ribi Yehoshua, leads oneself into non-selective Torah-observance to onesutmost; including an immensely meaningful relationship with the Creator.

Notes

1.Quoteadapted from www.netzarim.co.il ; History Museum (left menu);Mashiakh (top menu); Documentation found in the page, including the section “Mâshiakh of Tana"kh Subverts Tana"kh to be the Mâshiakh?”

2.Documentationon this link in my blog: Link

Shalom,

Anders Branderud

Permalink Reply by pilgrim on January 5, 2011 at 3:07pm

Anders,

Giving a link to your blog, a messianic "christian" site, does not a proof make. None of these claims are accepted by Judaism and the looooooooong held understandings of the Tanakh.

Anders Branderud said:

Shalom,

I will comment on some points.

You wrote:“exalts HisSon and Servant (Psalms 110:1)”

Yeshayahu 9:5 –translation in accordancewith etymology:

”and he called his name ‘Wonder,’ a counselor of Eil Jibor; My Father is until [i.e. forever], a minister of peace”)

The Creator does not change – Malakhi 3:6, Tehilim [”Psalms”] 89:35. The meaning of this passage from the year 720 b.c.e cannot have changed. For morethan eight centuries after that Yeshayahu proclaimed this prophecy, the Messianic interpretations remained strictly within the restrictions of Torah[“the books of Moses”] – a vision of a deadly human king patterned after king Khizqiyah. I.e. he was not ‘Gods Son’with a capital S [1]

He was aspiritual son, just like all Jews and geirim are spiritual sons of the Creator

accordingto the Tan’’kh

Secondly,

RegardingPaul compared to Torah:

As stipulated in Devarim ["Deuteronomy"] 6:4-9,11:13-21 one isrequired to keep all of the directives of Torâh′ to one’s utmost—viz., “withall one’s heart, psyche and might [lit. "very"]“—”for the purpose of extending your days and the days of your children… like the days of the heavens above the earth” (i.e., eternal life). According to the Tan’’kh -Yekhezeqeil["Ezekiel"] chapter 18 et.al - the Creator confer His atonementin His loving kindness only to those turning away from their Torah-transgressions and (re)turning to non-selectively Torah-observance toones utmost.

Paul taughtin contradiction to this and is thus not a prophet of HaSheim according to Devarim 13:1-6 [2]; and thus his doctrines shouldn’t be used in order to explainthe Will of HaSheim

Following the teachings of Ribi Yehoshua, leads oneself into non-selective Torah-observance to onesutmost; including an immensely meaningful relationship with the Creator.

Notes

1.Quoteadapted from www.netzarim.co.il ; History Museum (left menu);Mashiakh (top menu); Documentation found in the page, including the section “Mâshiakh of Tana"kh Subverts Tana"kh to be the Mâshiakh?”

2.Documentationon this link in my blog: Link

Shalom,

Anders Branderud

Permalink Reply by Anders Branderud on January 5, 2011 at 3:47pm

Shalom Les,

To repeat what I said in the other thread, I am not Christian and I don’t follow the “NT”. I don’t follow ‘Jesus’. None of the sites I posted are Christian.

I subordinate to the beit din ha [Judaic court of] - Netzarim in Ra’anana in Israel [1] – led by the Orthodox Jew Paqid Yirmeyahu Ben Dawid – in good standing in the beit ha-kneset ha-Teimani called Moreshet Avot.

The historical Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee.

Ribi Yehoshua – the Messiah – from Nazareth was called a Ribi even by his opponents. That title implies that Ribi Yehoshua had semikhah. Only Pharisees had this rabbinic ordination. This implies that Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee. [1]

You wrote: “None of these claims are accepted by Judaism andthe looooooooong held understandings of the Tanakh.”

Which statements are you referring to?

Your lashon ha'ra about me being a Christian, et.al, requires you - according to Torah - to make teshuvah.

1. Documentation on this link in my blog: Link

Anders Branderud

Les Ruttka said:

Anders,

Giving a link to your blog, a messianic "christian" site, does not a proof make. None of these claims are accepted by Judaism and the looooooooong held understandings of the Tanakh.

Anders Branderud said:

Shalom,

I will comment on some points.

You wrote:“exalts HisSon and Servant (Psalms 110:1)”

Yeshayahu 9:5 –translation in accordancewith etymology:

”and he called his name ‘Wonder,’ a counselor of Eil Jibor; My Father is until [i.e. forever], a minister of peace”)

The Creator does not change – Malakhi 3:6, Tehilim [”Psalms”] 89:35. The meaning of this passage from the year 720 b.c.e cannot have changed. For morethan eight centuries after that Yeshayahu proclaimed this prophecy, the Messianic interpretations remained strictly within the restrictions of Torah[“the books of Moses”] – a vision of a deadly human king patterned after king Khizqiyah. I.e. he was not ‘Gods Son’with a capital S [1]

He was aspiritual son, just like all Jews and geirim are spiritual sons of the Creator

accordingto the Tan’’kh

Secondly,

RegardingPaul compared to Torah:

As stipulated in Devarim ["Deuteronomy"] 6:4-9,11:13-21 one isrequired to keep all of the directives of Torâh′ to one’s utmost—viz., “withall one’s heart, psyche and might [lit. "very"]“—”for the purpose of extending your days and the days of your children… like the days of the heavens above the earth” (i.e., eternal life). According to the Tan’’kh -Yekhezeqeil["Ezekiel"] chapter 18 et.al - the Creator confer His atonementin His loving kindness only to those turning away from their Torah-transgressions and (re)turning to non-selectively Torah-observance toones utmost.

Paul taughtin contradiction to this and is thus not a prophet of HaSheim according to Devarim 13:1-6 [2]; and thus his doctrines shouldn’t be used in order to explainthe Will of HaSheim

Following the teachings of Ribi Yehoshua, leads oneself into non-selective Torah-observance to onesutmost; including an immensely meaningful relationship with the Creator.

Notes

1.Quoteadapted from www.netzarim.co.il ; History Museum (left menu);Mashiakh (top menu); Documentation found in the page, including the section “Mâshiakh of Tana"kh Subverts Tana"kh to be the Mâshiakh?”

2.Documentationon this link in my blog: Link

Shalom,

Anders Branderud

Permalink Reply by pilgrim on January 5, 2011 at 3:59pm

Hi Anders,

My statement was based on the heading of your link.

Follow Yeshua (heb. Yehoshua) – the Mashiach

If the first century Ribi [his title] Yehoshua [aram. Yeshua] from Nazareth was ha-Masiakh (”the Messiah”)..........

Once again, as I said your post was confusing. So then, based on your blog, which contradicts your your statement about not being a "christian", please post what you believe about who, what jesus was. A follower of Jesus is a "christian" it doesn't matter if you wear a kippa or not. I am also not aware of any Judaically accepted "orthodox" who accept jesus as messiah. If you are claiming lashon-hara then tell me what I said, based on your blog, that was incorrect.

Anders Branderud said:

Shalom Les,

To repeat what I said in the other thread, I am not Christian and I don’t follow the “NT”. I don’t follow ‘Jesus’. None of the sites I posted are Christian.

I subordinate to the beit din ha [Judaic court of] - Netzarim in Ra’anana in Israel [1] – led by the Orthodox Jew Paqid Yirmeyahu Ben Dawid – in good standing in the beit ha-kneset ha-Teimani called Moreshet Avot.

The historical Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee.

Ribi Yehoshua – the Messiah – from Nazareth was called a Ribi even by his opponents. That title implies that Ribi Yehoshua had semikhah. Only Pharisees had this rabbinic ordination. This implies that Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee. [1]

You wrote: “None of these claims are accepted by Judaism andthe looooooooong held understandings of the Tanakh.”

Which statements are you referring to?

Your lashon ha'ra about me being a Christian, et.al, requires you - according to Torah - to make teshuvah.

1. Documentation on this link in my blog: Link

Anders Branderud

Les Ruttka said:
Anders,

Giving a link to your blog, a messianic "christian" site, does not a proof make. None of these claims are accepted by Judaism and the looooooooong held understandings of the Tanakh.

Anders Branderud said:

Shalom,

I will comment on some points.

You wrote:“exalts HisSon and Servant (Psalms 110:1)”

Yeshayahu 9:5 –translation in accordancewith etymology:

”and he called his name ‘Wonder,’ a counselor of Eil Jibor; My Father is until [i.e. forever], a minister of peace”)

The Creator does not change – Malakhi 3:6, Tehilim [”Psalms”] 89:35. The meaning of this passage from the year 720 b.c.e cannot have changed. For morethan eight centuries after that Yeshayahu proclaimed this prophecy, the Messianic interpretations remained strictly within the restrictions of Torah[“the books of Moses”] – a vision of a deadly human king patterned after king Khizqiyah. I.e. he was not ‘Gods Son’with a capital S [1]

He was aspiritual son, just like all Jews and geirim are spiritual sons of the Creator

accordingto the Tan’’kh

Secondly,

RegardingPaul compared to Torah:

As stipulated in Devarim ["Deuteronomy"] 6:4-9,11:13-21 one isrequired to keep all of the directives of Torâh′ to one’s utmost—viz., “withall one’s heart, psyche and might [lit. "very"]“—”for the purpose of extending your days and the days of your children… like the days of the heavens above the earth” (i.e., eternal life). According to the Tan’’kh -Yekhezeqeil["Ezekiel"] chapter 18 et.al - the Creator confer His atonementin His loving kindness only to those turning away from their Torah-transgressions and (re)turning to non-selectively Torah-observance toones utmost.

Paul taughtin contradiction to this and is thus not a prophet of HaSheim according to Devarim 13:1-6 [2]; and thus his doctrines shouldn’t be used in order to explainthe Will of HaSheim

Following the teachings of Ribi Yehoshua, leads oneself into non-selective Torah-observance to onesutmost; including an immensely meaningful relationship with the Creator.

Notes

1.Quoteadapted from www.netzarim.co.il ; History Museum (left menu);Mashiakh (top menu); Documentation found in the page, including the section “Mâshiakh of Tana"kh Subverts Tana"kh to be the Mâshiakh?”

2.Documentationon this link in my blog: Link

Shalom,

Anders Branderud

Permalink Reply by Anders Branderud on January 5, 2011 at 4:10pm

Les,

Claiming the Torah-observant Pharisaic Jew Ribi Yehoshua as being the Mashiakh ben Yoseiph doesn't imply one is a Christian.

Once again, I don't follow 'Jesus', nor do I believe in the 'NT'.

Paqid Yirmeyahu Ben Dawid, his wife and daughter. They are accepted in the Jewish community in Ra'anana in Israel. I have already told you about Paqid Yirmeyahus acceptance twice.

They believe Ribi Yehoshua is the Mashiakh ben Yoseiph. Not Jesus!

Documentation avaiable on www.netzarim.co.il ; click on Yirmeyahu in the top menu.

This quote is relevant for you blurring two antitheses:

"Historical Rib′ i Y^әhoshua, polar opposite of the post-135 C.E. Christian counterfeit (Yësh"u), is the only extant genealogically documented Bën-Dâ•wid′ , born in now-Arab-occupied Beit-Lëkhëm.

Because he is the most recent authoritative historical figure still shared by all three Abrahamic religions, only he can confirm Tor•âh′ among estranged Jews and adherants of both Displacement Theologies (Christianity and Islam), unifying the world Tor•âh′ and realizing the Â•lei′ nu—hallmark of the Mâ•shi′ akh!

For nearly 2,000 years, Jews have been fighting, and hating, an enemy straw man, fabricated by Roman gentiles.

Throwing hand grenade propaganda bombs and wielding shotgun hate-mongering instead of deftly wielding a surgeon's knife, Jews have, for 2,000 years now, slandered an innocent Jew, a first-century Rib′ i who, historians have confirmed, died a Tor•âh′ -teaching Rib′ i. In slandering an innocent, Jews have failed, relegated to watching helplessly as 90+% of the Jewish community has assimilated, many to the Church. Judaism cannot stand while slandering an innocent. It is khi•lul′ י--ה, which ensures self-defeat.

Far worse, Jews who slander Rib′ i Y^әho•shu′ a (as contrasted against the Hellenist counterfeit, Yësh"u) collaborate in promulgating Christian the doctrines, false Hellenist "redactions" that cloak this Tor•âh′ -teaching Rib′ i in a feculent cloak (see Z^әkhar•yâh′ 3.1-5).

This ham-fisted, shotgun & hand-grenade approach has also witnessed some modern Jewish anti-missionaries, in their own incompetence, contradict the Sages, even the Talmud,—and even contradict Dân•i•eil′ and theTa•na"kh′ —all because they don't know how to explain and debunk Christian interpretations of certain verses in the Ta•na"kh′ . Exposing the false Christ makes all of the verses of Ta•na"kh′ , and the commentaries of the Talmudic Sages concerning them, fall into proper place—and all consistently preclude the false Christ.

When—after 135 C.E.—Hellenist Christians displaced the Tor•âh′ -teaching Rib′ i with their own Hellenist syncretism—the false christ straw man—Jews followed Christians in allowing the two to be blurred, smearing the innocent Jewish Rib′ i. Jews blamed the Tor•âh′ -teaching Rib′ i for the sins of the counterfeit—an idol—syncretized by Hellenist Roman gentiles and diametrically antithetical to the Tor•âh′ -teaching Rib′ i." [www.netzarim.co.il; Jews]

Les Ruttka said:

Hi Anders,

My statement was based on the heading of your link.

Follow Yeshua (heb. Yehoshua) – the Mashiach

If the first century Ribi [his title] Yehoshua [aram. Yeshua] from Nazareth was ha-Masiakh (”the Messiah”)..........

Once again, as I said your post was confusing. So then, based on your blog, which contradicts your your statement about not being a "christian", please post what you believe about who, what jesus was. A follower of Jesus is a "christian" it doesn't matter if you wear a kippa or not. I am also not aware of any Judaically accepted "orthodox" who accept jesus as messiah. If you are claiming lashon-hara then tell me what I said, based on your blog, that was incorrect.

Anders Branderud said:

Shalom Les,

To repeat what I said in the other thread, I am not Christian and I don’t follow the “NT”. I don’t follow ‘Jesus’. None of the sites I posted are Christian.

I subordinate to the beit din ha [Judaic court of] - Netzarim in Ra’anana in Israel [1] – led by the Orthodox Jew Paqid Yirmeyahu Ben Dawid – in good standing in the beit ha-kneset ha-Teimani called Moreshet Avot.

The historical Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee.

Ribi Yehoshua – the Messiah – from Nazareth was called a Ribi even by his opponents. That title implies that Ribi Yehoshua had semikhah. Only Pharisees had this rabbinic ordination. This implies that Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee. [1]

You wrote: “None of these claims are accepted by Judaism andthe looooooooong held understandings of the Tanakh.”

Which statements are you referring to?

Your lashon ha'ra about me being a Christian, et.al, requires you - according to Torah - to make teshuvah.

1. Documentation on this link in my blog: Link

Anders Branderud

Les Ruttka said:
Anders,

Giving a link to your blog, a messianic "christian" site, does not a proof make. None of these claims are accepted by Judaism and the looooooooong held understandings of the Tanakh.

Anders Branderud said:

Shalom,

I will comment on some points.

You wrote:“exalts HisSon and Servant (Psalms 110:1)”

Yeshayahu 9:5 –translation in accordancewith etymology:

”and he called his name ‘Wonder,’ a counselor of Eil Jibor; My Father is until [i.e. forever], a minister of peace”)

The Creator does not change – Malakhi 3:6, Tehilim [”Psalms”] 89:35. The meaning of this passage from the year 720 b.c.e cannot have changed. For morethan eight centuries after that Yeshayahu proclaimed this prophecy, the Messianic interpretations remained strictly within the restrictions of Torah[“the books of Moses”] – a vision of a deadly human king patterned after king Khizqiyah. I.e. he was not ‘Gods Son’with a capital S [1]

He was aspiritual son, just like all Jews and geirim are spiritual sons of the Creator

accordingto the Tan’’kh

Secondly,

RegardingPaul compared to Torah:

As stipulated in Devarim ["Deuteronomy"] 6:4-9,11:13-21 one isrequired to keep all of the directives of Torâh′ to one’s utmost—viz., “withall one’s heart, psyche and might [lit. "very"]“—”for the purpose of extending your days and the days of your children… like the days of the heavens above the earth” (i.e., eternal life). According to the Tan’’kh -Yekhezeqeil["Ezekiel"] chapter 18 et.al - the Creator confer His atonementin His loving kindness only to those turning away from their Torah-transgressions and (re)turning to non-selectively Torah-observance toones utmost.

Paul taughtin contradiction to this and is thus not a prophet of HaSheim according to Devarim 13:1-6 [2]; and thus his doctrines shouldn’t be used in order to explainthe Will of HaSheim

Following the teachings of Ribi Yehoshua, leads oneself into non-selective Torah-observance to onesutmost; including an immensely meaningful relationship with the Creator.

Notes

1.Quoteadapted from www.netzarim.co.il ; History Museum (left menu);Mashiakh (top menu); Documentation found in the page, including the section “Mâshiakh of Tana"kh Subverts Tana"kh to be the Mâshiakh?”

2.Documentationon this link in my blog: Link

Shalom,

Anders Branderud

Permalink Reply by pilgrim on January 5, 2011 at 4:27pm

Hi Anders,

OK, so your guy is the messiah and is not the NT messiah. If you had been more clear from the outset there would have been no misunderstanding. You may believe the messiah is anyone you like, I have no debate with you on that.

One last question to clarify what you believe. Is your messiah the one pointed to in the Tanakh?? Please just give me a short answer. Probably just a yes or no.

Anders Branderud said:

Les,

Claiming the Torah-observant Pharisaic Jew Ribi Yehoshua as being the Mashiakh ben Yoseiph doesn't imply one is a Christian.

Once again, I don't follow 'Jesus', nor do I believe in the 'NT'.

Paqid Yirmeyahu Ben Dawid, his wife and daughter. They are accepted in the Jewish community in Ra'anana in Israel. I have already told you about Paqid Yirmeyahus acceptance twice.

They believe Ribi Yehoshua is the Mashiakh ben Yoseiph. Not Jesus!

Documentation avaiable on www.netzarim.co.il ; click on Yirmeyahu in the top menu.

This quote is relevant for you blurring two antitheses:

"Historical  Rib′ i Y^әhoshua, polar opposite of the post-135 C.E. Christian counterfeit (Yësh"u), is the only extant genealogically documented Bën-Dâ•wid′ , born in now-Arab-occupied Beit-Lëkhëm.

Because he is the most recent authoritative historical figure still shared by all three Abrahamic religions, only he can confirm Tor•âh′  among estranged Jews and adherants of both Displacement Theologies (Christianity and Islam), unifying the world Tor•âh′  and realizing the Â•lei′ nu—hallmark of the Mâ•shi′ akh!

For nearly 2,000 years, Jews have been fighting, and hating, an enemy straw man, fabricated by Roman gentiles.

Throwing hand grenade propaganda bombs and wielding shotgun hate-mongering instead of deftly wielding a surgeon's knife, Jews have, for 2,000 years now, slandered an innocent Jew, a first-century Rib′ i who, historians have confirmed, died a Tor•âh′ -teaching Rib′ i. In slandering an innocent, Jews have failed, relegated to watching helplessly as 90+% of the Jewish community has assimilated, many to the Church. Judaism cannot stand while slandering an innocent. It is khi•lul′  י--ה, which ensures self-defeat.

Far worse, Jews who slander Rib′ i Y^әho•shu′ a (as contrasted against the Hellenist counterfeit, Yësh"u) collaborate in promulgating Christian the doctrines, false Hellenist "redactions" that cloak this Tor•âh′ -teaching Rib′ i in a feculent cloak (see Z^әkhar•yâh′  3.1-5).

This ham-fisted, shotgun & hand-grenade approach has also witnessed some modern Jewish anti-missionaries, in their own incompetence, contradict the Sages, even the Talmud,—and even contradict Dân•i•eil′  and theTa•na"kh′ —all because they don't know how to explain and debunk Christian interpretations of certain verses in the Ta•na"kh′ . Exposing the false Christ makes all of the verses of Ta•na"kh′ , and the commentaries of the Talmudic Sages concerning them, fall into proper place—and all consistently preclude the false Christ.

When—after 135 C.E.—Hellenist Christians displaced the Tor•âh′ -teaching Rib′ i with their own Hellenist syncretism—the false christ straw man—Jews followed Christians in allowing the two to be blurred, smearing the innocent Jewish Rib′ i. Jews blamed the Tor•âh′ -teaching Rib′ i for the sins of the counterfeit—an idol—syncretized by Hellenist Roman gentiles and diametrically antithetical to the Tor•âh′ -teaching Rib′ i." [www.netzarim.co.il; Jews]

Les Ruttka said:

Hi Anders,

My statement was based on the heading of your link.

Follow Yeshua (heb. Yehoshua) – the Mashiach

If the first century Ribi [his title] Yehoshua [aram. Yeshua] from Nazareth was ha-Masiakh (”the Messiah”)..........

Once again, as I said your post was confusing. So then, based on your blog, which contradicts your your statement about not being a "christian", please post what you believe about who, what jesus was. A follower of Jesus is a "christian" it doesn't matter if you wear a kippa or not. I am also not aware of any Judaically accepted "orthodox" who accept jesus as messiah. If you are claiming lashon-hara then tell me what I said, based on your blog, that was incorrect.

Anders Branderud said:

Shalom Les,

To repeat what I said in the other thread, I am not Christian and I don’t follow the “NT”. I don’t follow ‘Jesus’. None of the sites I posted are Christian.

I subordinate to the beit din ha [Judaic court of] - Netzarim in Ra’anana in Israel [1] – led by the Orthodox Jew Paqid Yirmeyahu Ben Dawid  – in good standing in the beit ha-kneset ha-Teimani called Moreshet Avot.

The historical Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee.

Ribi Yehoshua – the Messiah – from Nazareth was called a Ribi even by his opponents. That title implies that Ribi Yehoshua had semikhah. Only Pharisees had this rabbinic ordination. This implies that Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee. [1]

You wrote: “None of these claims are accepted by Judaism andthe looooooooong held understandings of the Tanakh.”

Which statements are you referring to?

Your lashon ha'ra about me being a Christian, et.al, requires you - according to Torah - to make teshuvah.

1. Documentation on this link in my blog: Link

Anders Branderud

Les Ruttka said:
Anders,

Giving a link to your blog, a messianic "christian" site, does not a proof make. None of these claims are accepted by Judaism and the looooooooong held understandings of the Tanakh.

Anders Branderud said:

Shalom,

I will comment on some points.

You wrote:“exalts HisSon and Servant (Psalms 110:1)”

Yeshayahu 9:5 –translation in accordancewith etymology:

”and he called his name ‘Wonder,’ a counselor of Eil Jibor;  My Father is until [i.e. forever], a minister of peace”)

The Creator does not change – Malakhi 3:6, Tehilim [”Psalms”] 89:35. The meaning of this passage from the year 720 b.c.e cannot have changed. For morethan eight centuries after that Yeshayahu proclaimed this prophecy, the Messianic interpretations remained strictly within the restrictions of Torah[“the books of Moses”] – a vision of a deadly human king patterned after king Khizqiyah. I.e. he was not ‘Gods Son’with a capital S [1]

He was aspiritual son, just like all Jews and geirim are spiritual sons of the Creator

accordingto the Tan’’kh

Secondly,

RegardingPaul compared to Torah:

As stipulated in Devarim ["Deuteronomy"] 6:4-9,11:13-21 one isrequired to keep all of the directives of Torâh′ to one’s utmost—viz., “withall one’s heart, psyche and might [lit. "very"]“—”for the purpose of extending your days and the days of your children… like the days of the heavens above the earth” (i.e., eternal life). According to the Tan’’kh -Yekhezeqeil["Ezekiel"] chapter 18 et.al - the Creator confer His atonementin His loving kindness only to those turning away from their Torah-transgressions and (re)turning to non-selectively Torah-observance toones utmost.

Paul taughtin contradiction to this and is thus not a prophet of HaSheim according to Devarim 13:1-6 [2]; and thus his doctrines shouldn’t be used in order to explainthe Will of HaSheim

Following the teachings of Ribi Yehoshua, leads oneself into non-selective Torah-observance to onesutmost; including an immensely meaningful relationship with the Creator.

Notes

1.Quoteadapted from www.netzarim.co.il ; History Museum (left menu);Mashiakh (top menu); Documentation found in the page, including the section “Mâshiakh of Tana"kh Subverts Tana"kh to be the Mâshiakh?”

2.Documentationon this link in my blog: Link

Shalom,

Anders Branderud

Permalink Reply by Rabbi Yochanan Levine on January 6, 2011 at 9:25am

Hi Les,

Les: ... A follower of Jesus is a "christian" it doesn't matter if you wear a kippa or not...

RY: This is not correct. Christianity is a religion created by the Catholic (Universal) Church in the third century CE. It is the mixture of diverse forms of Roman Paganism with added biblical terminology (often incorrectly).

Y'shua is a Rabbinic Jewish rabbi who never began a new religion. His talmidim are Jews in the movement sometimes known as Messianic Judaism. We are not Christians (I am not speaking for Anders, I don't know much about his group).

All around the world people are leaving Christianity and seeking to return to the Judaism taught by Y'shua. Due to the destruction of so many essential documents and the indoctrination of 1700 years this is at times a messy process.

Shalom,

~ Yochanan

Les Ruttka said:

Hi Anders,

My statement was based on the heading of your link.

Follow Yeshua (heb. Yehoshua) – the Mashiach

If the first century Ribi [his title] Yehoshua [aram. Yeshua] from Nazareth was ha-Masiakh (”the Messiah”)..........

Once again, as I said your post was confusing. So then, based on your blog, which contradicts your your statement about not being a "christian", please post what you believe about who, what jesus was. A follower of Jesus is a "christian" it doesn't matter if you wear a kippa or not. I am also not aware of any Judaically accepted "orthodox" who accept jesus as messiah. If you are claiming lashon-hara then tell me what I said, based on your blog, that was incorrect.

Anders Branderud said:

Shalom Les,

To repeat what I said in the other thread, I am not Christian and I don’t follow the “NT”. I don’t follow ‘Jesus’. None of the sites I posted are Christian.

I subordinate to the beit din ha [Judaic court of] - Netzarim in Ra’anana in Israel [1] – led by the Orthodox Jew Paqid Yirmeyahu Ben Dawid – in good standing in the beit ha-kneset ha-Teimani called Moreshet Avot.

The historical Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee.

Ribi Yehoshua – the Messiah – from Nazareth was called a Ribi even by his opponents. That title implies that Ribi Yehoshua had semikhah. Only Pharisees had this rabbinic ordination. This implies that Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee. [1]

You wrote: “None of these claims are accepted by Judaism andthe looooooooong held understandings of the Tanakh.”

Which statements are you referring to?

Your lashon ha'ra about me being a Christian, et.al, requires you - according to Torah - to make teshuvah.

1. Documentation on this link in my blog: Link

Anders Branderud

Les Ruttka said:
Anders,

Giving a link to your blog, a messianic "christian" site, does not a proof make. None of these claims are accepted by Judaism and the looooooooong held understandings of the Tanakh.

Anders Branderud said:

Shalom,

I will comment on some points.

You wrote:“exalts HisSon and Servant (Psalms 110:1)”

Yeshayahu 9:5 –translation in accordancewith etymology:

”and he called his name ‘Wonder,’ a counselor of Eil Jibor; My Father is until [i.e. forever], a minister of peace”)

The Creator does not change – Malakhi 3:6, Tehilim [”Psalms”] 89:35. The meaning of this passage from the year 720 b.c.e cannot have changed. For morethan eight centuries after that Yeshayahu proclaimed this prophecy, the Messianic interpretations remained strictly within the restrictions of Torah[“the books of Moses”] – a vision of a deadly human king patterned after king Khizqiyah. I.e. he was not ‘Gods Son’with a capital S [1]

He was aspiritual son, just like all Jews and geirim are spiritual sons of the Creator

accordingto the Tan’’kh

Secondly,

RegardingPaul compared to Torah:

As stipulated in Devarim ["Deuteronomy"] 6:4-9,11:13-21 one isrequired to keep all of the directives of Torâh′ to one’s utmost—viz., “withall one’s heart, psyche and might [lit. "very"]“—”for the purpose of extending your days and the days of your children… like the days of the heavens above the earth” (i.e., eternal life). According to the Tan’’kh -Yekhezeqeil["Ezekiel"] chapter 18 et.al - the Creator confer His atonementin His loving kindness only to those turning away from their Torah-transgressions and (re)turning to non-selectively Torah-observance toones utmost.

Paul taughtin contradiction to this and is thus not a prophet of HaSheim according to Devarim 13:1-6 [2]; and thus his doctrines shouldn’t be used in order to explainthe Will of HaSheim

Following the teachings of Ribi Yehoshua, leads oneself into non-selective Torah-observance to onesutmost; including an immensely meaningful relationship with the Creator.

Notes

1.Quoteadapted from www.netzarim.co.il ; History Museum (left menu);Mashiakh (top menu); Documentation found in the page, including the section “Mâshiakh of Tana"kh Subverts Tana"kh to be the Mâshiakh?”

2.Documentationon this link in my blog: Link

Shalom,

Anders Branderud