Gen.11:1

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Permalink Reply by James Daniel Tabor on August 6, 2009 at 4:32pm

Yes, this is the same book, now under a different title.

Permalink Reply by Rabbi Gershon Steinberg-Caudill on August 6, 2009 at 8:27pm

I also have this book. While I can agree with some of the premise of the author, I do not agree in entirety. Languages, including Hebrew, have evolved over the ages. I find some of Mr Mozeson's claims rather stretched.

James Tabor said:

Yes, this is the same book, now under a different title.

Permalink Reply by James Daniel Tabor on August 6, 2009 at 10:38pm

Although I am quite aware that many professional linguists and historians of language have scoffed, dismissed, and laughed at Mozenson's claims I look forward to hearing his response, as from my interaction with him I have observed that he is hardly at a loss for "words." I want to give him a hearing and hope he is able to show up here on the site soon and get into these subjects with readers, critical or otherwise.



Rabbi Gershon Steinberg-Caudill said:

I also have this book. While I can agree with some of the premise of the author, I do not agree in entirety. Languages, including Hebrew, have evolved over the ages. I find some of Mr Mozeson's claims rather stretched.
James Tabor said:

Yes, this is the same book, now under a different title.

Permalink Reply by Isaac Mozeson on August 8, 2009 at 11:58pm

Dear Prof. Tabor, Rabbi C-S, A2 and Lady Di:

The Word was written in 1986. The current data is doubled, and the theory has matured. Yes, Rabbi "Hebrew" is late. Abraham was the 1st Hebrew in the Late Bronze Age. Edenics involves PRE-Hebrew, the Proto-Earth of mankind, the first speaking homo sapiens from Eden to Shinar (much later Babel, and so we call it The Tower of Babel). The rabbi is parroting his professors, and all professors. They think Edenics is historical, and that language is about Man.
No, Edenics is PRE-historic. It is when the language of Eden was diversified into the 70 superfamilies (see Genesis ten's Table of Nations) that human history begins. We only know of multi-language history.
Secular professors HAVE to dismiss Ari's Genesis 11 scenario. Their secularity depends on it.

No Edenic roots are theoretical, like "Indo-European roots." All words are pinned to a Tanach verse, whose
meaning can be examined.

Besides EXTERNAL date, such as forms of DeReKH (direction) in 60 languages, and several distant families (not historically borrowed). We have INTERNAL data, such as 100s of synonyms and antonyms that display Divine Design. Also, vast subroots (unknown to Hebraists), including 3-letter words displaying 2 of these subroots.

The proof is in the pudding. The PhDs and lesser know-it-alls who dismiss Edenics (Wikkepedia, bloggers) have never tasted the pudding. Of course they deny it sight unseen. God forbid there should be a God behind the miracle of human language. This might mean Revelation is real. Much worse, if there's a deity requiring morality, how is a professor going to idolize man, or intimidate female or male freshmen?

The only PhDs who might support Edenics would be from fundamentalist places like Oral Roberts. But Xians academics, with 2 exceptions, have NOT responded to years of overtures. Because if Hebrew is proven to be divine, where does that leave their Greek "bible?"

This group will taste and test that pudding. Diana, we could have a systematic approach based on the Origin of Speeches book. For instance, begin at Aleph-Bet, how the letters sound, and how they can shift within their anatomical range... to make global diversity built-in. Similarly, our Creator gave Eve the DNA for all the subsequent
races of man. (The geneticists say so.)

But, I have a beagle, and sniffing out rabbit holes are just fine. This forum is best for responding to individual questions. Those questions can be generated by posts here or at www.edenics.org
There can be no topic more worthy of talking about that how and why we are able to talk.

SKePtics are welcome. The source of that word is SHaQaPH, Shin-Koof-Phey (overview). The pinheads who write our dictionaries and teach us linguistics can't see how SKEPtic and SPECtator, SPECtacle, etc. are the same SPK or SKP root of viewing. Edenics will leave these clueless ones in the dustbin of history, along with the evolutionists.

Permalink Reply by Ari Avraham on August 9, 2009 at 3:38pm

Shalom Isaac, the skeptics, to some degree, may be pursuaded to look deeper into the evidence presented by the facts you've presented in 'The Word." As for the so-called academics of this world, no such material has much effect. Why some are called and chosen to follow our G-d, and why others rebel and think stupid is beyond me. "Such thoughts are too high,I cannot attain." Why some like us see Him in this world and why others mock our higher knowledge and heightened perception of Him I do not know why. I do know that untill moshiach arrives ,the faith communities found around the world are edified by the labors of people such as yourself. You've obviously been called to research linguistics and show it's connection to the Master Speaker and Hebrew. Chazak, chazac. v'nitchazake. Ari Avraham

Permalink Reply by Isaac Mozeson on September 30, 2009 at 11:59am

Many thanks, A2, for your words of encouragement... or consolation. The serious Edenicists are only a handful. Our opponents are legion, and powerful.
If you know someone underemployed but almost as astute as yourself, I'd send slide shows on a CD for them to show
and sell. The occasional pat on the back allows us to persevere. 5700 blessings, Isaac

Ari Avraham said:

Shalom Isaac, the skeptics, to some degree, may be pursuaded to look deeper into the evidence presented by the facts you've presented in 'The Word." As for the so-called academics of this world, no such material has much effect. Why some are called and chosen to follow our G-d, and why others rebel and think stupid is beyond me. "Such thoughts are too high,I cannot attain." Why some like us see Him in this world and why others mock our higher knowledge and heightened perception of Him I do not know why. I do know that untill moshiach arrives ,the faith communities found around the world are edified by the labors of people such as yourself. You've obviously been called to research linguistics and show it's connection to the Master Speaker and Hebrew. Chazak, chazac. v'nitchazake. Ari Avraham

Permalink Reply by ronald wayne copeland on September 30, 2009 at 2:36pm

Shalom Isac Divided files from C-d caught up in reading Origins of Speeches about half way through The pre history of the tower of Babble is fascinating, and your right the scientist don't ask the question why? I think I'm like David w/ Sauls armor I have to find my own way.
Isaac Mozeson said:

Many thanks, A2, for your words of encouragement... or consolation. The serious Edenicists are only a handful. Our opponents are legion, and powerful.
If you know someone underemployed but almost as astute as yourself, I'd send slide shows on a CD for them to show
and sell. The occasional pat on the back allows us to persevere. 5700 blessings, Isaac

Ari Avraham said:

Shalom Isaac, the skeptics, to some degree, may be pursuaded to look deeper into the evidence presented by the facts you've presented in 'The Word." As for the so-called academics of this world, no such material has much effect. Why some are called and chosen to follow our G-d, and why others rebel and think stupid is beyond me. "Such thoughts are too high,I cannot attain." Why some like us see Him in this world and why others mock our higher knowledge and heightened perception of Him I do not know why. I do know that untill moshiach arrives ,the faith communities found around the world are edified by the labors of people such as yourself. You've obviously been called to research linguistics and show it's connection to the Master Speaker and Hebrew. Chazak, chazac. v'nitchazake. Ari Avraham

Permalink Reply by Isaac Mozeson on October 1, 2009 at 7:54pm

Dear Ari:

Thanks for your support for this crucial topic. If humans evolved thought and speech by accident, than all we deists are idiots.

I put the Gentile and Hebrewless Jew first, even back in 1989. Both this book and the recent The Origin of Speeches has every Hebrew word romanized in spelling-specific English. Therefore, I'd amend your post to say that even those without "basic ability in Hebrew" will gain a great deal. In fact, a Louisiana fisherman who reads these will know many things that the classical Hebraicists never imagined.

One doesn't have to read any book beyond Genesis in Hebrew to know that Hebrew is the original, universal language before The Tower of Babel. In no other language do all the names mean what they do, always profoundly related to the context.

But, ok, if you want to know that ALBINO, BLONd and VANILLA , you can read me.

For Ari and all else, there are documents that I can't attach here. So, email me at mozeson@yahoo.com

5770 blessings, Isaac

Permalink Reply by James Wood Jr. on October 11, 2009 at 8:07pm

I have always believed that Hebrew (Ibrit) was the original tongue because (this is one reason) Shem (being born before the flood) was still alive when Abram was born. I believe that Abram knew Shem as MalkiZedek and they didn't seem to have any problem conversing with each other... Just a thought...