9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
18 I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art YHWH my God.
19 Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.
20 Is Ephraim my dear son? is he a pleasant child? for since I spake against him, I do earnestly remember him still: therefore my bowels are troubled for him; I will surely have mercy upon him, saith YHWH.
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Comment by Tom Moniz on December 12, 2010 at 8:16am Hi Denise,
I first starting seeing these things in the Hebrew some 10 years ago or so, and to be honest, I still don't quite know what to make of it. I had completely thrown out the new testament and even the prophets and writings and only focused my studies on Torah for a period of 3-5 years. But the more "evidence" (really clues) I ran into in the Hebrew, the more I have found myself believing this possibility.
When I consider that I do believe in a resurrection, I ask myself, well if you believe in such a thing, why is it impossible that it has happened? Could one human have been resurrected, and he be the possessor of the birthright with all the rights and responsibilities that come with it? Why not? If so, when was he resurrected? I would suggest at Mt Sinai and that Yoseph (somehow, someway) was the mouth thru which God spoke mouth to mouth with Moshe. This would also put the paganized birth accounts in the new testament where they belong, in the trash, for he probably just showed up at the Jordan river as John's gospel shows.
Bottom line is, I don't know. I do see a tremendous irony here too though, if there is any validlty to this foolishness. When I first realized there was no "devil" who was trying to get people to sin against God, trying to "win souls" from the One God, YHWH, Creator of ALL things (including the man from Galilee), I used to ask the question of those who do believe in Satan, "if he only does what God allows him to, then doesn't that make him the most obedient of us all"? Well, wouldn't it be interesting if the so called adversary was also the holder of the birthright, and that he was doing much the same Yoseph did with his brothers by offering them the opportunity to turn and get right with their F/father. I dont' know, I'm just a crazy man, lol.
SIncerely,
Tom
Comment by Denise on December 11, 2010 at 5:29pm Ok, that is a lot to think about, but it certainly did make me think. I, too, have been identifying certain patterns as we read through the Torah portions, haven't been able to put my thoughts together as well as you. Enjoyed reading this and will have to think about it some more.
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